Doesn't matter who our choice for head coach is in 2025, you know the Woody's will pick the most demented ape in the pool that will Make saleh look like Vince Lombardi, this thread is pointless as look at the last 4 coaches the Jets had, Bowles, Adam Gase, Robert Saleh, and Now Ulbrich. Does anyone have confidence after seeing these 4 coaches records that Woody will hire the right people despite who we want? Woody doesn't give a flying fuck who we want, all he cares is about our hard earned money and if Trump and people in politics like him or not.
Dan Lanning univ of Oregon head coach is getting interest lately I’m not sure that’s a good idea. I don’t mind dipping into the college ranks but he wins at Oregon because they buy players with that Nike money
Look at it this way - to define "an obscene amount" would require a lot of thinking. And we know for sure that thinking is overrated in the Jets organization.
He’s already put out there that he is going to be very selective again this offseason when it comes to HC gigs. Which almost certainly means he’s not even going to pick up the phone when the Jets call. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
If that's his mindset why would anyone want him? Of course no one here knows whether he thinks like a winner or the loser you describe.
It’s not the olden days anymore. Dude already has a great gig. He turned the Seahawks and Commanders down because he wants to win a Super Bowl, apparently. Hardly a loser mentality.
I think there's a difference between turning down an opportunity to turn around a struggling team and then turning down going to an organization that is historically bad and has basically ruined the careers of just about everyone who has walked through the doors. Also, not throwing away a great gig that he already has (one of the 2-3 most important members of the coaching staff of one of the best teams in the league) that he has helped to build into what it is to go join a raging dumpster fire doesn't really scream loser mentality. I think it speaks to him, if that's what he does, making an intelligent decision about his own future. Coaching is this man's career. I can't imagine that many people in their careers would leave a great gig to go to a place where they will almost certainly be fired in a few years largely due to circumstances that are completely out of their control.
You clearly see how a bad organization can trash a coaching career, of course they should be selective. The Jets are an unmitigated disaster. We’re potentially burdening the coach with a QB that looks like trash honestly. Woody could very well put a mandate that we keep Hackett to make Rodgers and Adams happy as well. On top of that we gave away draft picks for this mess and we don’t have very much good young talent. It’s going to take years to rebuild this team back up in depth and talent. What we need is a hold the fort veteran coach that we know we’ll fire in a few years. We need a modern day Wade Phillips.
Ben Johnson turned down the Commanders and Seahawks for money, it wasn't so much about winning or opportunity, although he's not going to say that. I think the athletic reported he was asking around $15 mil which would put him top 5, with the likes of Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Mcvay, etc... guys who have "been there before". So I don't think he would turn down the Jets if the offer was right, but Woody Johnson has never paid a head coach anything like that, not even in the same ballpark. So I dont think he will come here for that reason
Interesting…you can always count on Follow the Money. As for our job, it takes a special kind of coach here…the media is brutal, the expectations are always high, but outside of that kind of noise, from a football standpoint, we need a coach who knows how to build and has the temperament for that. Not all coaches are good at that. Parcells to me was the best. He ALWAYS went to bad teams and always turned them around. He did it with the Giants and got to a Super Bowl in year 4. He did it with the Patriots and got them to a Super Bowl as well. He did with us and got us to the AFCCG in year 2. And then he took over a bad Dallas team and turned them around. He just knows how to do it. That’s the type of coach we need, but it sure is hard to figure that out with first time HCs. As for experienced HC’s, that guy was Harbaught…guy has built winners at SF, Michigan, and he’s doing it now at the Chargers. He is the guy we should have fired Saleh to go get last offseason. Of course, he’s a difficult guy to work with and probably would not have worked with JD, and regardless we didn’t do it so here we are. But who are the guys in that mold now? Pete Carroll pops up and I do think we should at least talk to him this offseason but he is older and may not be into it. Is Mike McCarthy in that mold if (when) he gets fired? Not sure…he won at GB and he’s had Dallas as a consistent playoff team until this year so the bloom is off the rose on him (if it was ever there in the first place) but at least he’s been proven…but we talked to him last time and turned him down so I’m guessing he’d tell Woody to go fuck himself if we did call, but you never know. I’m not sure I’d be all in on him regardless. But who else is out there as an experienced HC who would be available? It’s easy for us to say let’s go get an experienced HC, but who?
As of today, I'm team Aaron Glenn. Don't care about side of the ball (not like the defense is so good anyway). Care about an effective leader from a winning culture. His experience as a player is a plus.
No head coach has ever won a Super Bowl for two different teams. I think guys like Mike Mccarthy and John Gruden would keep the team competitive but would not win. I do not want another first time head coach. It just has not worked. This really leaves a few options IMO; Rex Ryan, Mike Vrabel, Kliff Kingsbury and perhaps Ron Rivera. Rex and Vrabel are close IMO if you look at their body of work. If you exclude Rex's time in Buffalo, both had 2 losing seasons. Vrabel got his team to the playoffs 3 times with 2 playoff wins while Rex got his team to the playoffs 2 times with 4 playoff wins. Neither had a great QB. Kingsbury is the other one. He clearly can coach an offense. He had one playoff appearance in the 4 years in Arizona. Lastly Ron Rivera not terrible, but not my top pick. Im not sure if he would even want to coach again. The other outlier is Cincy firing Zac Taylor. I would give him a shot here. Offensive mind. Got the Bengals to the Super Bowl. But it obviously depends on how the Bengals season plays out.
I don’t want another soft HC. I don’t want another loser HC who was a loser somewhere else prior. I don’t want a HC that was recommended by someone. IE: Peyton Manning. The only exception I would entertain Is, Rex. This team Is In such a bad place moving forward. I feared It, now we’re here. Im literally letting go though. I’m not advocating for anybody. I’m literally letting go and giving It up to God. I got nothing. laugh at me if you will but that’s my truth in the matter. For whatever that might be worth. NYJ Fan. It’s not for the sensitive and light hearted. Shit Is hard. It shouldn’t be. It Is though. ready for that to change one day. One day… One. Day.
How about more of these responses include some actual predictions on choices instead of just saying how inept Woody is which we already know. The Jets can get a top guy like Ben Johnson if Woody is willing to spend big. With the current state of the Jets combined with how they're perceived outside the organization (as a place not to go), it will require a huge paycheck to get a top candidate. My top choices are: Pete Carroll (pie in the sky Home run Hire) Ben Johnson Brian Flores Jeff Hafley Matt Nagy
Without a Head of Football Operations and an agreement from the Johnsons to quit meddling, it really doesn't matter which coach you bring in. It doesn't matter if it's Parcells if those things don't occur first. If you pay out the butt for a top coach, even a highly successful one; to come in a run the whole show, you're once again setting the team up for failure by giving them more say than is good for the team and its culture. Hiring a guy to do that, when he didn't do that before, is not a smart team move. There is a reason that most teams do not let the coach act as GM. The correct way is for the new head of football guy comes first, then the GM, then the GM chooses the coach and you're off. If you want to build a culture, you don't start signing and spending nonsensically out of desperation, you build for the future with the confidence that comes from knowing you did it right the first time. There is no other way, there is no shortcut-coach-genius to come in solve things. You run a competent organization by knowing your strengths and weaknesses, and the Jets are weak in culture. So you build that first. You can't do that with a megalomaniac at the helm. You do it by investing in the culture of the team, build an idealized system, see it fail, fix and then improve. The next thing you know, you have your culture, you have your coach, you have your QB, you get your championship. Otherwise you are continuing the tedium of a complete rebuild every time we lose a coach, because they were not chosen by the GM anyway, a GM who may make a few picks but not the top one, because really he is a puppet and an easy scapegoat for the dipshit owner, since he goes around firing coaches and choosing who should be starting on Sundays anyhow. It's just stupid all around unless you commit to a process.
Still want Brian Flores. Has HC experience, which I think is a must for this team. I liked him in Miami, and was surprised when he got fired. Obviously he lost the power struggle with Grier in Miami. I like that he was a hardass on Tua, Some guys can take it, some can't. I don't care about the lawsuit, dude can coach and is tough as nails. No way the country club atmosphere that Saleh/Ulbrich run would be allowed under his watch...
In my opinion it would be another big mistake getting a College coach, we would benefit from a previous NFL HC or at least an assistant with a winning track record preferably in the offensive side of the ball. Whomever that HC is, it better have full latitude to select his staff.
If Rex gets an interview I think its going to be his job to lose. Rex will 100% convince Woody that he could win the Super Bowl next year with this roster. Right or wrong and we know Woody always liked Rex. In retrospect Rex IMO did not do a bad job here. 2009 & 2010 he obviously overachieved. 2011 was the bad year IMO, that team should have made the playoffs. 2012 roster was awful and had no chance yet they still were playing meaningful games late in December. 2013 was a big overachievement, arguably Rex's best coaching job getting team to 8-8, many thought that was a 2-3 win team yet it got there. Lastly 2014, not much to say, Idzik handed him a horrible roster and didn't spend at all, so he had no chance. So out of the 6 years: 3 (2009, 2010, 2013) overachieved 2 (2012, 2014) went with how bad the roster was 1(2011) underachieved The hard question I would have for Rex would be who will lead the offense? That was the underlying issue during his time here. He never had a good QB either. If he has a plan or someone who reputable at offense that he can bring in then sure why not.
Bill Belichick Jon Gruden Pete Carroll Rex Ryan Steve Spagnuolo Brian Flores Mike Vrabel Vance Joseph Kliff Kingsbury Marvin Lewis Dom Capers Jim Caldwell Vic Fangio BIll Callahan Mike Zimmer Leslie Frazier Matt Nagy
