Just like a holding penalty has nothing to do with a TD run. Because that run technically never happened, due to the penalty.
I didn't say it shouldn't have been called. I'm saying, in order to establish possession, you can only go by the catch, not the blown calls leading up to the catch.....
First thing: It was an interception. The rule doesn't state catch, it states control. "It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control." That is exactly what happened. Second thing: Ask the Titans and Jaguars how batting the ball goes. The Sunday before this MNF game the Titans tried batting it down and Titus Young tied the game on a Hail Mary catch. It isn't a black and white "always bat" or "always catch". There are situations for both.
The guy batted it away rather than down. That's why it got picked off. He easily could have slammed the ball down, which is always the right play.
Try jumping slightly backwards while getting pushed and shoved and slam it into he ground. The jax guy last year tried it with no obstacles near him and still messed up. It's tougher than it looks. It's not like a volleyball where you have free reign to jump into a perfect set. The safest play would be to punch it in the direction of the sideline or back of the end zone. But again you usually have guys pushing you and hands in the way. Easier said than done to spike or directionally bat it
When both players had their two feet hit the ground, both players had control of the ball. That is when control matters.
one of the most common things said about football from players and commentators is there is holding on almost every play of a game, so if the criteria to dispute a score or a catch is simply a missed penalty that wasn't called we can probably go back through the history of football and say nearly every TD ever scored never happened. what is the reality of a game is not what doesn't happen or what isn't called but what does happen and what is called. a missed call doesn't negate a score that counts any more than wrongly called penalty could add a score to a game that did not count because of the penalty call.
Actually, it wasn't an interception. No one "gained control first" at least, not conclusively enough to overturn the ruling on the field. Both defender and receiver went up and both had hands on the ball. Both came down with possession.
I don't know if this clip has been posted in this thread, but I was under the impression that Jenning's at least had control of the ball first and the Tate reached in and grabbed it afterwards until I watched this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpV5xIJax4s Tate has one hand (left) on the ball at exactly the same time that Jennings catches it with two hands. Tate's right hand is on Jennings' wrist. sure, maybe if we break it down to a quantum level we could identify who is touching the ball .000000000000000000000001 seconds prior to the other, but in the physical world quantum accuracy just isn't necessary. they both are possessing the ball at the same time. the only question becomes does Tate's one hand justify control, or enough control equal to Jenning's control, to validate simultaneous possession. I think it does because the rule for a catch does not require two hands to control the ball, so Jennings' having control with two hands doesn't negate that Tate is sharing possession, even to a minimal extent, with him. and the rule for simultaneous possession does not dictate how much control each player has, just that the control exists simultaneously. sure, maybe the control is 80-20 Jennings, but the rule doesn't state majority control. and in this case Tate never loses any control after he gets one hand on the ball, and getting his second hand on it subsequently to only strengthen his control to ensure he doesn't lose it doesn't equate to gaining control only after that second hand is on the ball. sure, Tate's control is assisted by Jennings' having the ball, but the rule for a catch of simultaneous catch does not address that. in this case, Jenning's attempt to catch it assisted in Tate's ability to gain and maintain control, and thus by rule the call goes to the offense.
people seriously calling in death threats over this? thats what they just said on the gameday show, that is just fucking disgraceful. its a fucking game people, are people really so stupid that they would actually murder someone over the game? i mean, i myself have been a victim of fan violence (got punched in foxboro haha) and really, its just the stupidest thing ever. we are all there to enjoy the game, win or lose, its inconsequential. its a fucking game.
Not according to the rule. And why two feet?, to make it a catch? Because if you hit the ground, you have to have control of the ball all the way through you hit the ground which Tate didn't have either. Not sure what two feet has to do with it because when hitting the ground you have to possess it all the way through. Jennings conclusively had it on the field before the replay and after the replay. Jennings has two hands and the ball against the chest while twisting it away from Tate. Also, Tate's right arm/hand is never on the ball for what it's worth. If you watch it never makes contact, and he never makes a catch. He never has control until after Jennings does. I mean mostly everyone thinks it was an interception before/after the replay. Jennings had it possessed it, hit the ground, then Tate jumped on. Tate never had the control. Jennings had it and Tate joined on.
I'm not sure what angle you saw to draw that conclusion, but from the one's I've seen, your synopsis just isn't the case.
that simply isn't true. as I stated above, Tate catches the ball with his left hand at the exact same time Jenning's does with both hands. the rules for a catch or control do not require two hands, so that is irrelevant. sure, Tate's control is likely dependent on Jenning's control, but then that is a flaw in the rule. by the rule, Tate had the ball simultaneously with Jenning's. Tate never loses the ball through the entire act of the catch, and Jenning's only gets it away from him afterwards when the act of a catch has already occurred.
