I agree! He has done great with only less than tow years of NFL experience. I'd wait until the end of next year to size him up.
The late game comebacks are really covering up a lot of the warts this year. Whether or not you think it's Sanchez or Schotty that are the problem I think we can all agree that the Jets offense has been pathetic this season. There are only 5 teams in the AFC that have scored less points and their combined record is 20-45. A couple other things are also pretty clear, that Sanchez is not capable of consistently running the offense that the Jets want to run, and that Schotty is an idiot for attempting it. But really what options do you have with a QB that is so inaccurate? Sustained drives are a pipe dream when your QB can't be accurate on passes under 5 yards. All the people that are head over heels for Sanchez constantly bring up the drops but he really does throw a terrible ball most of the time. There have been a couple bad ones that were solely on the receivers but 35? Give me a break.
All I know is Sam Bradford is completing 60% of his passes already and he has only played 13 NFL games. He also has less ints than TDs as a rookie with HALF the offensive line and receivers that Sanchez has/had.
I think the other quarterbacks on that list have done much more to prove themselves over longer periods than Vick. I think he is one of the best athletes in the world, but he has to win some big games before I would call him one of the best quarterbacks. I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not, if you were, my bad.
Well, the better guy to compare Sanchez to is Josh Freeman since they were in the same draft class and Sanchez was drafted before Freeman. Freeman .585 completion percentage 6.94 yards per attempt 17 touchdowns 6 interceptions Sanchez .533 completion percentage 6.47 yards per attempt 16 touchdowns 12 interceptions Sanchez has played against a tougher schedule, but Freeman has far less talented teammates, so I think any type of adjustments anybody would want to make would even out in the end. Therefore, I think it is very fair to compare those numbers and conclude Freeman is definitely having the better season of the two.
Not denying Freeman has had a better statistical season, but he does get to play in Florida while Sanchez is in the Meadowlands.
Ok, let's be fair here . . . Mark Sanchez currently has a 74.2 QB rating for the season. That is currently good for 28th in the league. The ONLY starting quarterbacks with a lower quarterback rating are Brett Favre, Derek Anderson, and Jimmy Clausen. OUCH. Mark Sanchez currently has a completion percentage of 53.3%. That currently ranks 29nth in the league among active starting quarterbacks. The ONLY starting quarterbacks with a lower completion percentage are Jimmy Clausen and Derek Anderson. OUCH. Now, I'm not saying statistics tell the whole story. Sanchez obviously gets major bonus points for his late game heroics in several games this season and his overall record as a starting QB. But saying that he is "average" right now is being kind and I've been as big of a Sanchez supporter as you'll find.
Sanchez foes need to fix his accuracy but that's not a determining factor in winning considering he's won 19 games as a starter including two road playoff games.
No, right after the bolded part I state that I am not yet convinced he is a top "quarterback" Michael Jordan was a top athlete, but he wasn't a top five NFL Quarterback.
You are making this difficult. I responded to your claim earlier that Vick was not a talented player. That was it. MikeSLTJ23 saw the same thing and he wrote, "Michael Vick (jury's still out on whether he can keep it up, but you're dead wrong if you think he's not an amazing talent)." If you want to argue about how good of a QB he is, that's one thing. Arguing about whether or not he is talented is something else.
Thats fair, I could have been more clear. My problem was with the initial poster putting vick in the group with manning, brady, brees, and rivers, a placement that I feel was undeserved.
look at the list of qbs that have made championship game appearances, there are a ton that arent good qbs. just because you make that game doesnt mean your a great qb. he is far from elite
My argument wasn't about how the players are currently performing. It was about their ceiling. I think Mark's ceiling is to be an average to good NFL starter. Most people on this message board seem to disagree with that notion and seem to think he has the makings to be another Peyton or Brady. I included Vick in the group, not because he's proven over the long haul to be Peyton or Brady, but I think he has the potential to be an elite QB. He's playing like one this season, and he's always had the potential. I know Sanchez was drafted 5th overall, I know what people say and what people think about him. I saw him at USC, I see him on the Jets, and I don't see elite potential. Simple as that. Right now, I classify him as a poor starting NFL QB. Feel free to disagree with that, but be aware that every last one of you that points to his record as a starter has I'm sure also pointed out at some point that the Ravens won the Super Bowl in spite of Trent Dilfer. Dilfer was 7-1 in the regular season that year as a starter. He also had relatively similar stats to Sanchez's career stats so far. But because Sanchez is a Jet and the face of the franchise, he doesn't get the same criticism that Dilfer had. He doesn't get the same criticism that Joey Harrington had (who got ripped apart because he wasn't that good...but I'll tell you what, you might want to take a look at his numbers side by side with Sanchez, and he had less talent around him for sure). I'm glad you all think so highly of Sanchez and his potential. I just don't. I don't see it. Hope he proves me wrong. I hope he reaches the ceiling you guys have set for him. Hell, I hope he reaches the ceiling I have set for him. I think he'll reach mine (though some of you for some reason think he already has), I don't think he'll reach yours.
I have not seen one person think he's going to be the next Legendary QB in this league on this board. That's delusional. Top 10 QB is his ceiling
I'm sorta neutral in all this in that I just don't know what to think about Sanchez. However, this post jumped out at me, and I know rather than just blindly insult me, you'll intelligently answer the question (if you see it). Anyway, isn't this statement actually scarier? I tend to honestly never think about that fact (mainly because I have a blind hatred for USC and Pete Carroll so I try to block out Sanchez's college career), but shouldn't the fact that he has less college experience scare us more than comfort us in looking at the OP's stats?
Elite gets thrown around A LOT. Maybe people just have different definitions of elite. Average NFL starter = 15th best, I'd say good NFL starter probably 10th best or so. You're right at the mark that I would call his ceiling. But really? You haven't seen anyone talk about him like that?? Isn't it all over this board or am I just imagining it?
CHECK IT OUT ALL! I am 100% agreeing with a Cakes post! No fucking way the Jets lose today!!!!!!!! And I think you're right both about this being the best comparison, and the fact that thus far, Freeman is having the better season (though Sanchez, because of the playoffs last year, a better career). I have found it so odd that this comparison isn't looked at more closely (but that's because pundits, for whatever reason, like to ignore Freeman's accomplishments thus far). And before everyone jumps down my throat about TB not beating teams with winning records, like Cakes said, the talent around him is no where near ours (though I think Williams and Blount are going to be scary in a few years- not thuggish scary, I mean don't want to play them scary).
