Yankees 2006-07 offseason thread

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    How can any yankee fans not love this deal? I like Sheff but he is 38 and coming off major in ijury and we get some good pitching prospects for him. A great job picking up his option and trading him rather than letting him walk via FA.
     
  2. EcKo151

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    I don't like Cashman at all, would love to see him gone...

    But despite my disliking of him, he did make a good move. He could of easily just not pickup the option and be done with it, but he got 3 pitching prospects and got rid of him quickly...Got more than I expected.
     
  3. FirstTimeCaller

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    R.Kelly has to be pretty happy Mrs. Shef is moving closer to his hometown Chicago.
     
  4. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Why do you hate Cashman? Besides Minaya, he has no competition as best GM in the sport. All of the bad deals the past few years have been a result of the Tampa/George problem. Now that Cashman has total control of the team's composition, I think we will see a much improved team next year, one more suited to Joe's "I don't know how to manage, so you guys just go out and play" style of managing a team.

    This was a great deal for us. We got rid of a player who we could have just let walk, who was all over the media trying to build a case not to be traded, who has a history of making teams miserable when he doesn't want to be there, and traded him off an option. The fact that we got 3 quality prospects, one of which looks like a real star-in-the-making, is just icing on the cake.

    I <3 Cashman. Always have, and until he does something stupid like trade Jeter to bring Kenny Rogers back to pinstripes, I always will.
     
  5. AMJets

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    Since Cashman has gained control of the organization, he has turned a bottom 5 minor league system into a borderline top 10 system (top 5 in terms of pitching). Much love for Cashmoney.
     
  6. MisterMoss

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    My Goodness. Newsday reports that Sheffield's extension was 2 years, 28 million dollars. That's 3 years for 41 million dollars with the option year. Nuts.
     
  7. AMJets

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    Wow, that only makes the Tigers look worse in this deal.
     
  8. AMJets

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    Oh my God, we might get something of value for Jaret Wright!

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...ov11,0,6759683.story?coll=bal-sports-baseball

     
  9. BIG COUNTRY

    BIG COUNTRY Well-Known Member

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    Oh man this would be awesome if we could get even a bag of baseballs for Wright, make it work Cash Money.
     
  10. FirstTimeCaller

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    Ultimately he won't be judged on that at all.
     
  11. AMJets

    AMJets Well-Known Member

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    In a year or two, when guys like Hughes, Clippard, Sanchez, are in the rotation, he will be. He's already had two mid-level prospects come up and become core players (Cano and Wang). Now the high-level prospects are coming.
     
  12. FirstTimeCaller

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    Core players? I think that's a bit of an exageration... but I digress. If the major league team (the real indicator of the job a GM is doing) continues to be a $200 million first round exit, he won't be here to see those guys make the pros.
     
  13. AMJets

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    I'm not sure how it's an exaggeration? Wang was the #1 starter last year, 19 wins (T-1 in AL) and a 121 ERA+ (8th in AL), while Cano finished third in the race for the batting title, 41 2B in under 500 ABs, and had a 132 OPS+ (top 15 in the AL). They're both part of the long-term foundation for success.

    And of course if the team continues it's playoff futility, then he won't be around. But there's still some crap from the Tampa guys that needs to be syphoned out. The problem is people don't want to see the Yankees as a team building for the long-term.
     
  14. FirstTimeCaller

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    How many core players can a team have?
     
  15. AMJets

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    As many as they plan to be the long-term foundation of the team. It could be 1-2, 5-6, 8-10.
     
  16. FirstTimeCaller

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    Well if that's what you consider a core then I guess they fit the definition, I tend to think differently... how long are their contracts for?
     
  17. AMJets

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    I believe the Yankees own both their rights thru 2010. I'm sure they'll get re-signed to better deals before then, though.
     
  18. FirstTimeCaller

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    Robinson Cano 2b
    1 year/$0.381M (2006)

    ML service: 0.153
    Chien-Ming Wang p
    1 year/$353,175 (2006)

    signed 2000 as undrafted free agent from Taiwan, $1.9M signing bonus

    agent: CSMG
    ML service: 0.159

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/new-york-yankees_111398168678860040.html


    This site shows them both as one year contracts for 2006. Neither has the 6 years experience to qualify as UFA but their RFA status doesn't really speak to them being "core" players by my definition. Weren't both of them being discussed in trade rumors last season? When I think of NYY core players I think along the lines of Jeter, Mo, Arod, Giambi, Matsui, Posada. 8-10 players seems like an awful big "core" to me... To say these two might become Core players somewhere down the line is fair, but IMO the certainly haven't become core players on a vet team like this after one strong season, especially givent their contract status. I think core I think long term commitment.
     
  19. EcKo151

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    I just don't like Cashman at all. It all stems from the Randy Johnson move, when I was one of the very few who wanted to trade for Tim Hudson instead. Though he hasn't exactly been awesome in Atlanta, he was a young arm who has experience in the playoffs, and could handle playing in the pinstripes, just from my view.

    Then the whole Carla Pavano deal, he had 1 good year, in his contract year, still not even being a .500 pitcher. Jaret Wright is another clown, that has blown up in his face...The Kevin Brown trade, the Javy Vasquez move...Ugh.
     
  20. BIG COUNTRY

    BIG COUNTRY Well-Known Member

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    You do realize Tampa has pushed many of these moves. And Vasquez seemed like a great move until he lost his confidence, Pavano and Brown were doing fine until the injury bug bit them(Now pavano has turned into a wuss, but still CashMoney's fault). Steinbrenner pushed for RJ, Cashman didnt want to make that move. I give ya Cash does get blame for Pavano. Wright is another Tampa move.
     
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