The WSS failed not really because of fan support, but because of interference by the dolans. I was a supporter of the WSS. After that failed, I was a supporter of the new Meadowlands stadium. I have never viewed it as a situation where the Meadowlands stadium was responsible for killing the WSS idea. IMO, the only arguement here is whether or not they could have built a Queens stadium instead of the NJ stadium... and financially, it wouldn't have made sense.
It would have been just too expensive for one team to do. Look at what the new Meadowlands stadium is costing and they get the land for free. In NY it would cost more to build a similiar stadium plus they would have to buy the land on top of that. When their was no free ride from NY there was really only one choice.
No, not off base at all. PSLs are used to pay off debt. Debt would be 2-3X more simply because 1 team would be footing the entire bill... Couple that with the stadium being in NYC.... and then do the math.
I totally agree. It is very very expensive to build in the NY NJ area. The WSS would have been a good investment for football AND for other events. However, I look at Queens and Meadowlands as both equal in profitability... and since now you can have 2 teams paying for it, it just made more sense to go in with the Meadowlands project. The WSS would have been awesome. Meadowlands is a good second option. Queens was a distant third.
I don't believe they said that, a link would be nice. I've followed this very closely and the most they ever said was it will be discussed. If you think there would be no PSLs at the WSS I fear you are sorely mistaken....
I'm not sure this is necessarily true and I think your premise is flawed. I was against the WSS for many reasons other than PSLs, reasons that took precedence over PSLs. Overall, I was against it because I thought it was a dumb idea. Dumb because of space limitations (no tailgating), dumb because of accessability (what a nightmare) and dumb because the expense to build a Jets-only stadium in the heart of one of the most expensive cities in the world would have been over-the-top prohibitive. Absolutely not. Why would I? PSLs, either way, were probably 4th or 5th on my list of objections to the WSS. But in considering PSLs either way, it's always been a question of degree also. PSLs mandated for the cockamamie Manhatten project would have always been multiples of 3-4 times what they might be in the Meadowlands, simply because of the cost savings in the Meadowlands (building a joint stadium) and the the fact that building it in the Meadowlands is probably 40% cheaper than building it in the heart of Manhatten. I never bought into "It has to be in NY" and also never bought into "It has to be a Jets-only stadium," which were probably the two biggest driving factors for NYer, PSLs or not.
I didn't want either the WSS or the new Meadowlands. I just wanted the Jets to go home to Queens where they belong. Somehow the rational and cost-effective alternative for having the Jets in their own state-of-the-art facility never got mentioned much. Politics.
I agree with you, this is a figment of the imagination and I predict no link will be provided because one does not exist. Furthermore, you're never going to hear an organization like the Jets talk that way up front. They much rather prefer to leave all their options open.
When Donald Trump wanted to build a stadium in NYC and bring a third team to the area he planned on making every seat a PSL. I think no stadium could ever be built there without at least some seats being sold off that way.
Look, you all know I was (and still am) a big time supporter of the WSS. I think we should dump out of this Meadowlands FIASCO and re-visit the WSS idea. Some of us remember how many (not all but many) of the Jet fans on this board, other boards, and on the radio - used the PSL issue as one of their main reasons for NOT supporting the WSS. Yes, Tailgating was another - and so was the commute. I say the commuting issue is ridiculous - there is plenty of public transportation for options...but the tailgating guys - I understand and just disagree with. So, now we have a stadium as expensive or more than the WSS - it's in a swamp, it has no retractable roof, no other value as a venue (no Superbowl, no NCAA Tourney, no added space to the Javits) and we have to share it? This whole thing is a debacle. I blame the Dolans, NY State Government, Woody, and the fans who were against the WSS... ...as I said before, you really do get what you pay for...
I respect your opinion Greenie, but there is no way the WSS would cost less than this stadium, IMO it would be considerably more expensive....
You post this in every stadium thread and there is nothing to back this up. They wouldnt talk about psl's for the wss until the thing was being built. They needed the support of the fans. Coming out and saying there was a psl would have really hurt them in the early stages
These stadium threads are meaningless. We are getting a new stadium in nj. There might be a psl. There is nothing we can say or do about it.
This is the reason these stadium threads here are completely unreadable. They're so full of misinformation, bullshit, and utter stupidity and usually just result in bickering. Hahahahaha right WSS = No PSL's. Take your head out of the sand before you take it upon yourself to chastise the rest of the board.
Green Guy, You have always seemed like a reasonable poster and I've never thought of you as being naive, but just what part of "done deal" are you not understanding? Besides, you just don't "dump out of" real estate/franchise transactions that span years of negotiations, political approvals, NFL owners' meetings and financial approvals. Please stop with the PSL nonsense also. It makes you look foolish at best and a naive, uninformed, bitter, adolescent at worst. "I'm so pissed, I know what I'll do! I'll hammer away at the NJ guys having to pay PSLs and get even that way!" Then you manufacture unadulterated, unsubstantiated outright lies about "Woody said there would be no PSL's if we had built the WSS." Come on man, mellow out already!
The WSS was dead the minute the Olympic committee decided not to come to NY. There is no way the City and the State would put up the money that they originally put on the table without the Olympics.
This is dead on. I had forgotten about the Olympics Committee and Mayor Bloomberg pushing that. That was probably the first major nail in the coffin and it was all downhill after that.
