^hmmmmm It would have to be something along the lines of, "you just coach now, no more control little man." Which probably doesn't sit well with napoleon.
You say the browns were terrible then they should have beaten them and they'd be in the playoffs. They could ahve made the playoffs even w/ that loss but did they? mangini has only coached for 4 years. he did a great job year 1, took a step back year 2 then watched as his QB threw away year 3(he gets blame for that as well but the man had 2 winning seasons in 3 years here- he's not Rod marinelli). he took over a mess in Cleveland, has cleaned things up a bit and put them in great position going forward w/ draft picks. The man clearly deserves to come back.
Mangini should stay at least another year... he's great in re-starting franchises and putting them on the right track. give him 2 years to do that then fire him and bring in Fox next year!
Holmgren is working Fox hard right now. He's probably thinking the Giants job could come open next year and if that happens there's no way the Browns get him. I'm thinking the odds on Fox in are much lower than they were just a day ago.
Mangini left dangling for another day. He left the training facility at 5:35 and avoided reporters assembled to speak to him. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4802691 Heckert is being interviewed for the GM job and the Eagles are going to require him to be given a job where he has control of personnel decisions before they sign off on a non-lateral move that would not require compensation. Andy Reid has that power in Philly currently. This is a messy situation. Holmgren won't bring Mangini back until he gets a GM in place and the odds are good the GM won't want Mangini. Holmgren himself doesn't want Mangini, due to the differences in their offensive and defensive philosophies, but he also doesn't want to cause a major splash as his first action when the Browns had a winning streak at the end of the year. Mangini, on the other hand, is fighting hard to keep a job that he would never have picked for himself in his wildest dreams. He wanted a pet GM to sign off on his talent decisions and the ability to control the Browns destiny over the next few seasons. The best he's going to get at this point is kind of a bastardized whipping boy job as head coach - sort of - not in charge of offensive or defensive gameplans and likely running a defense that he does not understand all that well, and not having final say on personnel either. He probably needs the money and is not willing to walk out on his contract, and Randy Lerner really does not want to pay him much of the value of the contract moving forward. The common wisdom is that by the weekend Holmgren will announce that Mangini and the Browns are parting ways and that a contract settlement has been worked out. Somehow I think it's going to get messier than that. Randy Lerner should give the ok to pay Mangini the full contract so that Holmgren can let him go cleanly and quickly. Nobody held a gun to his head and made him hire Mangini 9 days after the Jets fired him, giving him a much better contract than he deserved because no GM was on hand to talk some sense into him.
Holmgren is being a prick already. Just fire the fucking guy and get it over with. Enough with the dramatics. What an asshole.
Looks like Holmgren isn't going to keep around the best player on the team, via rotoworld. Cribbs Twitter
He is a great kick returner. If they can work him into the offense like Hester, he could be worth about the same, though I don't know what Hester's contract is, it must be more than 1.4 mil a year.
are you trying to say that no team is ever terrible if they win a game? yeah, that's fucking stupid. I guess the 1-15 Dolphins team wasn't terrible a couple of years ago since they beat Baltimore, right, because if they were terrible how could they win a game. how fucking stupid can you continue to make yourself sound just to defend a stupid fucking argument to begin with? no they didn't. your point being? I'm not saying he doesn't, but that has no relevance to the point being disputed that he hasn't proven one bit an ability to actually build a team, which was what was being claimed.
Holmgren is keeping Mangini...... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/07/mangini-to-return-in-cleveland/
What surprises me is that Schefter is reporting that the whole staff is being kept... I thought Holmgren was going to bring in his guys (Zorn etc) on the offensive side of the ball).
I have some Percocet if you would like me to send some to NYJUNC, 'cause you just inflicted some pain.....hmy:
