We are holding it against him that he was given a good QB who ended tearing up his arm hence the collapse? But we are willing to extend Bowles who has not done anything for this team even with his supposed defensive prowess? Ok.
So we should extend Bowles for being worse than Mangini? At least Mangini got them to the playoffs, I don't see this happening under Bowles any time in the future. I did give Bowles credit for having reservations about Wilkerson. Too bad no one listened.
I don't think Mangini was well liked or respected in that locker room. I think that's why he ultimately was fired. That's just my personal opinion after the 2008 season.
I wasn’t holding favre against him, I just wasn’t going to compare Bowles year 3 with mccown against mangini year 3 with favre. And I am not calling for an extension, just not ready to see him fired yet.
Fair enough. I believe the jets are making an effort to build through the draft as their primary strategy so I'm happy about that and I would like them to continue with that trend, unfortunately the administration before Mac left them no holdover players to work with so it really was starting from scratch. However, I would like to see a good offensive minded HC take over the sideline, I don't know who is currently the man for the job but I have seen nothing from TB in these last 3 years to convince me he is the right guy for the job.
No, not at all.... Ive repeatedly expressed my displeasure with him since year one, but that has nothing to do with the 2008 disaster that had Mangini at the helm
Last cycle I wanted an offensive guy, next cycle I will want an offensive guy I just want to see this out one more year first. There might be something here
that's not just your opinion, it's a fact. the team despised Mangini here, just like they did in Cleveland. I've never seen a team quit on a coach as completely as they did with Mangini.......well maybe Macadoo . And throw in how underwhelming our incredibly talented defense was performing (Mangini's alleged specialty).. He was unimaginative and inflexible to a fault, and a dreadful HC. One of the worst we've had imo.
no credit to Tannenbaum? i've noticed bad picks always were credited to Tanny, but good picks always had credit go elsewhere. lol I think Mangini's exhaustive screening process of draft prospects was helpful at times, but not always (Gholston, Schegel, Clemens, Cleveland drafts). He may have been effective as a Director of College Scouting working under Tannenbaum, but he was no coach.
if that is the case I'll eat my words and give Bowles credit, and get really pissed at whoever was pushing that move. I cant believe it was Mac
No doubt, Mangini was no coach at all. I hated him. Tannenbaum does get credit too, I should've mentioned him before. What we can't deny is they both knew how to work the draft, Jets haven't been as good with the later regimes. Yes, you can hate on Gholston (which was a 3 player draft if you aren't trading down), but the o-line restructure was perfecto. I wish I paid more attention to the draft process back then.
Mangini gets the bulk of the credit for those drafts because Tanny was the common denominator from mangini through Rex. Although there were some questionable to bad picks in the mangini/Tanny era the Rex/Tanny era was just awful.
it's over simplifying to give Mangini the bulk of the credit on those drafts. and again if you are crediting Mangini for his input, which is reasonable to an extent, you have to also blame him on Gholston, Schlegel, Clemens, Keller, and all the terrible Cleveland drafts he was involved in. I never seem to see that draft blame, only credit. in terms of Tanny post Mangini, 2009 was ruined primarily with the Sanchez pick (Greene was good value), 2010 was awful, 2011 was strong, and 2012 not so good again. He's also had a mixed bag with Miami. Overall unimpressive but he did hit big with some picks. In any event, Mangini's job was head coach, which is was straight up terrible at both here and in Cleveland.
good point on cleveland, i did not factor that in,mostly because i never factor cleveland in to anything. i wouldn't call keller a bad pick, dude could play and played well when he had favre who loved to throw to the tightend. kellen clemens is still in the league which is more than you can say for most of the rex/tanny drafts. whatever you want too pin it on, the drafts went to shit when mangini left. agreed about mangini the coach though, he was way to rigid and married to his scheme and he hired schotty. a death penalty offense in my book
So those having a fit over Wilkerson practicing (if you wanna call what he did practicing ) and complaining Bowles and this CS was going to play him, only for him likely NOT playing and not even being active...How you like y'all crow?
Notice how manish said “people” and not people with the organization? He is talking about the posters here at tgg that want him banned from the building.what a troll he is
Mangini was Vince Lombardi compared to some of the stiffs the jets have hired over the years. Including now.
