Why you should never draft in the top ten! $$ and %

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  1. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    ummmm...IIRC correctly, neither one of them has a Ring. Eli does.
     
  2. Tony

    Tony Bipedal, Reformed

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    I totally agree with this post. I hate when we have a top 10 pick. A top 5 is the worst. It's just too much money for an unproven player. Too risky.
     
  3. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Yes when U add up the production of some of our recent #1s ur theroy sounds like a better way then what the present GM employs towards the draft
     
  4. Popeye's Army

    Popeye's Army New Member

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    That's basically the strategy the Packers GM Ted Thompson has used. Since he started in 2005 the Packers have traded down and accumulated 11 picks per year on average. That's 44 draft picks total in 4 drafts. Now their team is stocked with young talent. I'm surprised more GM's don't try this.
     
  5. 611LWC

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    Look they are all crap shoots, some are more expensive than others. At the end of the day this was Gholston's rookie year admittedly a bad one but if he can turn it around then he will not have harmed the Jets for years to come like some of you would think. The Jets could have selected someone else at that pick it may have been a reach but we did not have to take him.

    The problem the Jets have had with top ten picks is picking thee wrong player.

    Kenneth O'Brien over Dan Marino. Hvingg a top ten pick is not bad you just need to make the right pick. That has been the problem....
     
  6. Coach K

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    this type of scared attitude gets nobody anywhere. the draft itself is a crapshoot no matter where your drafting. plain and simple.

    your either good at drafting, bad at drafting, or get lucky when a value pick pans out.

    thats the easiest and most logical way to describe the draft process. IMO the only reason drafting in the top 10 is bad is because of the ridiculous contracts they get, and the fact it indicates you finished in the bottom 10 of the league.

    aside from that i dont see what is bad about being in position to draft the top 15 players on your board within 10 picks. just dont be stupid

    Jets fans are just jaded about the draft, well we know why, but I'm not part of that group.
     
  7. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    I would say the current GM has done well...... aside from Gholston (4 of their 5 1st rd. picks are quality starters on the team). Another season is needed to see if Gholston is really as bad as he seems.

    Bradway on the other hand......... :drunk:
     
  8. JetsUK

    JetsUK Well-Known Member

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    You could of course just have a salary cap and no draft at all then teams just negotiate the contract with a rookie the same way they would any other UFA - this way you are still going to avoid teams being able to dominate completely because the slary cap is still in effect but you dont get players being forced to play for teams they dont wat to play for, you avoid any of this ~1 = $$$$, #2 = $$$ and so on, guys get what people feel they are actually worth to the team.

    Much as I love the draft (I actually prefer it to the regular season tbh - hope over experience) it is quite a bizarre ritual and with a salary cap is it really that necessary (or even helpful to the worse teams who have to pay massively over the odds for players that are as often or not busts and are unlikely in most cases to contribute much for a couple of years anyway?
     
  9. JUNJOBX2199

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    It?s a real special thing to find that Real # 1 out of the draft. Majority of Draft classes have a ton of good player, but many succumb to the fast play and the inability to adjust on the fly. I personally think the amount of money that would be spent on a high draft pick can be comparable to signing a top flight free agent. The problem is either they (# 1 DRAFT PICK) remain with you their entire career or leave at the tail end or they finally get where you think they are ready for the prime time and they bolt for insane money elsewhere.

    You have to groom young players, but you should always look at the options that are available rather then going with the popular pick.
     
  10. Jets n Boys

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    So does Carr and Alex Smith...oh wait...thats the "ring of goner"
     
  11. Jets n Boys

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    If we were to re-do the draft, and Peyton Manning and Brady were to be drafted in the same year, what would you do?

    Where as I do agree with you on some points, I just don't agree with you when you say a top ten is not worth it. It is a huge risk you are taking as far as value and price is concerned. Sure enough you'll have like a 50/50 chance of having player of its worth, but you are also risking a 50/50 chance of not selecting an elite player (pro bowler and possible FHOF candidate).

    The best you can do is to trade the top ten pick for a young pro bowler on another team. Now you are making use of it, but you will curse yourself to death if the other team selected a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning at that spot.

    In short, its risk and reward.
     
  12. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    Oops...

    Wrong thread.
     
  13. Jets n Boys

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    Was this necessary?
     
  14. JetsFan

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    That would be a cheaper strategy and have greater success.

    I would rather the jets trade their #1 every year for two #2s that have to pay the outragous contracts these unproven 1st rounders are demanding.
     
  15. Jets n Boys

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    But that does not guarantee you a good player. See the 2005 draft. Justin Miller was released and Nugent never developed into a second round kicker. We probably could have selected Roddy White with that pick.
     
  16. Jets n Boys

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    on a second thought, having 3 2nd rounders is not as bad is it sounds. You should be able to pick one solid player out of those 3 picks. Heres the problem; not many teams have two second rounders and those who do, may not even want to trade up.

    And, depending on the spot, trading a first rounder for a second and third is a bad trade in terms of value IMO.
     
  17. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

    Actually we should have drafted Ngata but at the time I agreed with the pick. Unfortunately, D'Brickshaw hasn't quite lived up to that # 4 pick yet.

    Our line has been solid but Fergeson has a lot of help. My hope would be that his play continues to improve.
     
  18. brothermoose

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    Charlie Ward wasn't drafted because he chose to play in the NBA. Had he not chosen basketball, he may very well have been a 1st rounder.
     
  19. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Ware was selected 7th overall in the 1990 draft.
     
  20. FEO

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    waste of a thread its more like 10 out of 32 players in the first round are bust u should really look up the past draft for 5 years
    2006
    Mario Williams
    Reggie Bush
    A. J. Hawk
    Vernon Davis
    michael Huff
    Donte Whitner
    Ernie Sims
    2005
    antrel rolle
    carlos rogers
    D ware Merriman
    heath miller
    2004
    Eli Manning
    Robert Gallery
    Larry Fitzgerald
    Philip Rivers
    Sean Taylor
    Kellen Winslow
    Roy Williams
    DeAngelo Hall
    Reggie Williams
    Dunta Robinson
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Jonathan Vilma
    Lee Evans
    tommie Harris
    Michael Clayton
    Shawn Andrews
    D.J. Williams
    Will Smith
    Vernon Carey
    Vince Wilfork
    marcus Tubbs
    Steven Jackson
    Chris Gamble
    Michael Jenkins
     

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