I don't think this is true at all. Holmes was traded because of his marijuana problems. I don't ever remember reading he was a cancer in the Steeler locker room.
What is going on with this thread? Why do you click on one thread and it redirect you to a completely different one? lol wtf
Conceptually i don't mind that Pats fans come here, and even ken is not always awful. Sometimes he makes points. But just making shit up to troll this board is over the line.
Thought this was a good article that explains the procedures manning went through and the risk involved. A couple of things jump out. - I have heard a lot of people say one hit and it could be over for him. not true he is at no additional risk of injury due to the surgery. - The number of surgeries is alarming to people but the reason he had so many surgeries was because he was trying to relieve pressure on the nerve when that didn't work he had the fusion surgery. - If he can throw well now he will only get stronger with time. To me all this seems to make bringing Manning in less risky than it originally sounds
The risky things about bringing Peyton Manning in are: 1. He's 36. 2. He hasn't played in a year. 3. He has been in a steady decline for several years before the injury. 4. He's going to eat a huge amount of cap space on a team that is already tight on the cap. 5. He just had multiple surgeries. 6. The Jets pass protection is really iffy right now. 7. He doesn't play particularly well in cold weather and his teams are under .500 in games at 40 degrees or less as a result. 8. This is the Jets we're talking about! Could it work out? Sure, maybe if all the 7 things above don't bite us in the ass, but #8 is a bitch and she's sitting on us heavy at this point. Peyton Manning on his physical status right now: He hopes to continue making progress? WTF! Let's just bet the farm on him...
If we had real balls we could trade our draft and Sanchez and try to move up for Griffin. The Jets are in a tough position because the GM built a team to win in 08 and failed. We got a boost in 09 when the league couldn't figure out our D. Now that the league has changed the rules and the tape is in coupled with a couple of week drafts and trades, the team needs to gamble or change management.
The Jets don't have the depth or frontline talent at this point to trade up for RGIII. The only way they can make that move is to trade Revis for the 2 pick and then get a decent package for Sanchez somewhere else. Believe me, you would not like a team that was RGIII, Mangold, Brick and Holmes and a bunch of JAGs on O and Revis, Cromartie and Harris and a bunch of JAGs on D. That has 3-13 written all over it.
I agree with all your points except 3 and 5. He didn't have an MVP year in 2010 but I wouldn't cal it a decline and the year before he was on top of his game. If it can be confirmed the fusion was a success then the surgeries don't really provide future risk. Your best point may be 8. If he goes to the jets he will probably bust. Anywhere else he probably lights it up for 4 years.
I don't really worry about Mannings health,too much or the fact that he hasn't played in a year.My real concern is mortgaging the teams long term success and future for a guy that'll be here for 4 yrs at best. I'd rather build through the draft with some solid FA signings sprinkled in the mix and build a team that can have continued success for years to come.
We have a team now with a bunch of JAGS all over it and at QB. This team has been in talent decline since 08. Rebuilding with RG3 instead of the steady decline we are in now would be great from my point of view.
He threw 679 passes in 2010. That's why it looks like he wasn't in decline. If he'd passed the same 571 times he did in 2009 he wouldn't have gotten to 4,000 yards. The peak of Peyton Manning's career was from 2004 to 2006. He's been in a steady decline since then which has been somewhat masked by the fact that his throws have gone up over that period. 2006 is a long time ago.
If this team didn't have so many holes RG3 is someone id love for us to roll the dice on. I think he's gonna be that good. That being said im curious to see a schottyless sanchez Tanny better add depth across the board or none of this really matters
That's an after 2012 argument. I tend to agree that the talent acquisition process has put the Jets in a decline phase however they do have a draft to figure it out. If they manage to turn this draft into something similar to 2000 or 2006 then things look a lot better moving forward. The problem is that they had 4 1st round picks in 2000 and 10 picks overall including 2 1st rounders in 2006. They're going into this draft, which is a deep and talented draft, with just the 7 plus whatever compensation picks they get.
haha I think we like him the same. were both usually good at playing devils advocate when discussing strategy. this year people think I became anti-Sanchez because I started to question his ceiling. for all the inconsistencies and mismanagement around him there are plenty of plays where he still looks like a rookie. and that is simply unacceptable. that being said he had Holmes and scrub city (minus Kerley) as his WR corp. the thing that bothered me the most about him was how he got his lunch money taken in that Ravens game and seemed mentally fragile for the rest of the year. he has the physical tools i dont question that for a second. however him still locking on to recievers and RARELY ever efficiently looking off coverage is frightening. I never bought into the "lazy" rumors either. Although I wish hed spend less time on Broadway and more time asserting himself as the leader instead of trying to be well liked. so basically my opinion is on the fence about him. I dont question the tools he has, just whether he can put it all together. I am actually really anxious to see him excel under a more straight forward system. he does need a true number 2 reciever and a new RT though or otherwise this year will be a repeat. EDIT: I really like RG3 and if it werent for our massive holes in depth I would probably be lobbying heavy for a tradeup to 2 but we all know why that wont be happening
Yeah, fantastic. Another year of under-achieving because of a shitty qb. Woohoo.. Can I start a Matt Barkley/Tyler Bray thread and also a Manning v. Sanchez stat thread already? Oh, and clearly I am starting a fire Tanny thread when Manning signs elsewhere.
