Why won't Mangini take out Chad situationally?

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  1. JetPulse

    JetPulse New Member

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    But, Chad on a bad day really isn't much better. The backups would need a lot more time playing in order for you to say they would be worse then Chad on a bad day.
     
  2. KSJets

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    And then what do you do when the other QB you put in starts playing bad? You actually think you can put the person you benched back out there? This is the dumbest idea out of all dumb ideas.
     
  3. Jetzz

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    Here's a news flash for you - Tom Brady isn't any better than any of them on a bad day. :eek:hmy:
     
  4. Jetzz

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    The thing I find most incredible about the whole pull Chad crowd is the fact that most of them actually think Mangini has it together and knows what he is doing. Do any of you think that the CS actually has the best opinion about who to start that is going to give us the best chance to win? Or maybe you think they are clueless?
     
  5. JetPulse

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    IMO?
    The personality of Chad forces the head coach to "look on the brighter side."
    Chad is just a really nice guy.

    "And, what should we do if we pull Chad when he is having a bad game and the backup does poorly also?"

    If it happened sufficiently at least we'd know that we need new backups also.

    Which is more than I could say at present.

    ...And, Tom Brady is most likely going to the playoffs. Is Chad??
     
  6. Jetzz

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    Do we get any lamer than that? Honestly. I had no idea that the criteria for becoming first string QB of the NYJ was to be a nice guy.

    Your last comment about Brady means little. My point is that any good QB can have a bad day - even when they should not. And when they have a bad day they suck as as bad as anyone elses bad day. Your thinking that Brady gets a pass on bad games simply because his team is going to the playoffs sounds awfully hypocritical.
     
  7. BenGrahamFan

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    All of a sudden he can't go deep? Have you ever heard of a prevent defense? The Bills rushed 4 and dropped 7 ALL day...and kept getting pressure. Try escaping a 4 man rush and having to pick apart 7 Bills in coverage...not very easy. Factor that in with the inconsistent running game, and the conservative play calling, we were doomed.
     
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    please tell me I didn't open this thread.
     
  9. wa2k99

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    I have decided I will never read this board for several days after the Jet lose from now on. One time when we lose, I would like to see something other than these stupid ignorant posts from certain people about getting rid of Pennington. It's like he costs us evey loss. Watch the damn games and come back when you can write with some intelligence.
     
  10. JetPulse

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    Jetzz...
    I was agreeing that "being the nice guy" isn't enough. That was the point of saying it.
    No.. What I'm saying is that Chad's bad days make us lose. You can't say that for many teams.

    wa2k99....
    I waited a day before posting myself. Probably avoided a lot of name calling and an embarassing tirade by doing so. Normally I'd agree that complaining isn't going to solve the problems. But, right now is the time of the year to analyze what was bad and good about the season. So, the complaints are justified.

    Now..
    Like many fans, I really enjoy the games that Chad is playing well. But, the bad days are really bad. It would be nice if his bad days didn't automatically cost us games. And, it is in this mindset that playing someone else at certain times seems to be a way of having the best of both worlds. Chad's good days with someone else to play the mediocre ones. So, that we can stay in the game. Now, it is absurd. But, relying on Chad for every game won't cut it. And, remember all we really want to do is win... Especially against the Bills when it counts.
     
  11. Jetzz

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    My apologies. I did not get that from what you wrote. Sounded like you were saying he was a nice guy, and got the nod from that.

    As to Chad's bad days making us lose, some of them have, but not always. Unfortunately, this team is not good enough in other areas to pick up the slack when Chad is slumping. Chad is no superman, carry the team on his back guy unless he has a good game against mediocre teams.
     
  12. KSJets

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    Actually, you can say that about any team with a suspect defense and no consistent running game. The fact is, we don't have a good defense and we don't have a good running game. Calling it mediocre is being kind. Take all of that away and what do you have? Chad and the passing game. When he struggles, we generally lose. Why? Because we basically have nothing else.
     
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    Did any of you watch the game on Sunday??? Stop busting Chad's balls because the only reason he was dinking and dunking was because the Bills HAD 7 MEN DROP BACK IN COVERAGE!!!! Their defensiveline was doing such a great job getting in Chad's face that he didn't have time to throw the deep ball. Stop busting this guys balls and just look forward to Minnesota. Game is OVER DONE SHUT UP! Now its time for Minnesota
     
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    I agree with KSJEST94 -- There is a bigger picture which is the running game and the run defense. An established running game would allow Mangini to run the offense he desires
     
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    I don't know the exact stats anymore, but I remember a week or so ago our run game was ranked in the top half of the NFL, and our passing game was ranked in the bottom third. So is the pass being hampered by the run or vice versa?
     
  16. PennyandtheJets

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    This is one of the dumbest idea ever...
     
  17. KSJets

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    We're 25th in total offense. 16th in total rushing, 21st in total passing.

    More telling:

    7th in rushing attempts
    26th in ypc.

    21st in passing attempts
    14th in ypa

    Basically, they're running a lot, but not really getting anywhere.

    Ten 2.7 ypc
    Pats 2.1
    Bills 3.1
    Colts 3.6
    Jags 3.9 (mainly in garbage time)
    Fins 3.8
    Det 5.3
    Clev 3.3
    Pats 4.0
    Bears 3.6
    Texans 1.0
    GB 5.7
    Bills 4.3
     
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    A) this is the NFL not HS or College and B) Chad can throw the ball downfield. Check the success rate of 3rd and 20s w/ any QB so you'd rather have Clemens(a guy w/ zero experience) come in on 3rd and long or Ramsey(a guy who has diffculties reading D's) come in? This would accomplish what?
     
  19. GSourJr

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    1) Mangini wasn't worried about a QB controversy when he declared an open competition coming into camp, according to his stated philosophies, he shouldn't be worried about it now.


    2) Whoever the QB is, when you're down by more than 2 scores with less than 8 minutes left, there is only one way to try and win the game. Drop back and wing the ball 3 times deep and hope for a completion or penalty (not that unlikely an occurence). If you come up empty, you go for it on 4th down and try to get a 1st and then repeat the same strategy.

    3) I would've inserted Ramsey in at that point for 3 reasons (a) he's got a cannon of an arm (b) he's been sitting on the roster all year (c) Chad's not doing anything.
     
  20. #28Martin

    #28Martin Well-Known Member

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    I will say this. I am sick of the 3 and 11, 5 yard dump off that Chad throws everytime, whether he has time or not. Kick on third down if you are gonna continually do that.
     

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