Why are there so many KC haters?

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  1. bojanglesman

    bojanglesman Active Member

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    That is a valid point, I agree. However, the possibility also exists that Sanchez starts and plays fairly well, or at least enough to keep the starting job for the entire year. Now you have a young QB with a season under his belt.

    Point is, you don't draft a guy this high and worry about what its going to be like to bench him. That risk will always be there whether you start Clemens or Sanchez first. You draft a QB this high with the intention on getting him in there at some point. I wouldn't start Clemens because its easier to bench him when he sucks. I'd start him if he were clearly the better option right now. Nothing wrong with starting Clemens, but you have to do it for the right reason, not because you are scared Sanchez will have to be benched. The guy was drafted to play, just a matter of when.
     
  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    If Sanchez starts the year he will of course keep it for the entire year. Even if they go 0-16. The only way he would get removed is if he got hurt.
     
  3. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    I am not sure why this follows. I seem to recall at some point in the history of football even a first round pick may have started the season and not made it all the way through. Just can't remember the specifics right now.

    For myself, I really don't want to see the Jets go winless.
     
  4. bojanglesman

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    I don't know if I'd go that far (0-16), but I think if he starts, he's gonna have to be pretty damn bad to get benched, particularly if he gets worse as the season goes along.
     
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    Ratliff was able to improve his game immensely last pre-season. You either got it or you don't in football.

    KC should be worlds better than Sanchez right now, but it is totally a toss up which one you go for.
     
  6. GBA

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    uhh becuase HE SUCKS!!!!!!2 LOLOLoL ! We shoud have kepped Ratcliffe! HOLLA!!
     
  7. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    They have done all these studies on how removing a rookie QB like that can ruin him for his entire career. They have such fragile psyches as it is. It is why a lot of teams won't ever start a rookie unless they think they probably aren't going anywhere anyway. Keep that in mind when Ryan makes his decision.
     
  8. Italian Seafood

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    They're all people, Don, everyone is different. Some guys use adversity as motivation and other guys let it break them, there is no one formula to get it right. That's why some coaches get more out of the same players than other coaches do.
     
  9. Italian Seafood

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    :rofl: Holla!
     
  10. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Just saying they won't remove him if they start him and that is why. Same reason Baltimore and Atlanta started rookies last year. They were 5-11 and 4-12 the year before and nobody was expecting them to do anything. Same as when Peyton manning started too. The Colts had been 1-15. You don't start a rookie at QB unless you plan on staying with them all year.
     
  11. Gubernaculum

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    Sanchez faced Lewis, Reed, Ngata, etc. Clemens faced second/third teamers almost entirely

    Sanchez and Clemens both threw bad picks- the difference is Clemens is a 4th year player and threw an idiotic pick. I'd maybe wave it off but he's been throwing INTs like its nobody business in his limited starts in the league and in TC every year. At this point, I think I know what we have with Clemens.

    The Jets probably won't do much this year- I'd let Sanchez take his lumps. The team is going to be run-heavy anyway with the talent we have anyway.
     
  12. Italian Seafood

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    I actually agree with you and I was saying earlier that they might go with Clemens first because it's easier to make the move to Sanchez than vise-versa. Just disputing the idea that all QBs are of the same mold and need to be handled the same, that's all. I think it's more about the perception of such a move with the rest of the team, fans, media, etc, than the psyche of the QB himself.
     
  13. bojanglesman

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    Yeah, looks like we're probably going to have a lot of 3 and outs, maybe short dump-off passes and rely on the D to score or at least keep the score manageable. If things go well, we'll be in a lot of 13-6 type games.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    If Sanchez has such a 'fragile psyche' that he can't take a benching in his rookie season, he's not a franchise quarterback.
     
  15. GBA

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    For what it's worth, Ratliff doesn't "got it". You can be a preseason superstar and blow chunks in the reg season, or vice versa. It happens all the time. Ratliff doesn't have the awareness to be a starter and probably never will. Browns fans are disgusted by him right now. Clemens has shown pretty much everything you'd like to see in a QB so far this preseason, aside from that one boneheaded play.

    And Sanchez fucked up royally. The one good pass he had was when Reed was already out and Washington was matched up with a LB. Clemens wasn't playing with starters either. And look around.. every quarterback in league has had fuckups this offseason. Manning, Warner, Brady.. everyone. Clemens makes one bad throw against the Ravens and everyone throws him to the dogs. Give me a break. You think you know, but you don't know.
     
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  16. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    They won't bother to find that out. He is this team's franchise QB and when he starts he starts for good.
     
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    I think I'm over this whole KC/MS thing until it becomes official...and then I'm not sure Ima care as much. This horse has been beaten into dog food.
     
  18. bojanglesman

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    Damn right, its getting old. Excuse me, I'm going into another thread to argue about how we need to sign another WR.:smile:
     
  19. alleycat9

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    wants wants wants.nobody really wants clemens to be great at this point so if he does something wrong they dismiss him or say how much he sucks. on the other hand they want sanchez to be great so they candy coat everything he does wrong and anoint him when he does well.

    this is how a fanatic works.they rarely see whats really going on just what they want to see and how.

    personally i think that clemens has not proven that he can do the job.
     
  20. york61

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    I would like to see KC given the starting job

    I know he hasn't done much in preseason but the kid has the tools including a better arm than Sanchez plus he has better knowledge of the system. Keep in mind Sanchez only played a year in college. I just don't know what the love affair is with Sanchez. I personally thought we should give Clemens a solid year QBing and see what happens. Let's face it, when he came in to play two years ago our OL stunk and he didn't have many weapons. Let him play and evaluate after the year.
     

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