This is so Hysterical because it is Absolutely true. The sad thing is me and two of my closest friends have as good if not better arms than Chad and it is not even a joke! For him to be an Nfl Qb is a shame!
In the NFL, you need a guy with a strong arm in the 4th quarter. Pennington is soft. If the game is close, he doesn't have a good deep ball in the arm.
But Fourthandlong, were you invited to try out at rookie camp? Where were all the quarterbacks? Why aren't the CS and FO acting on this? Guess they're not paying attention.
You need a guy with a reasonably strong arm all game. Half the problem is that fact that opposing teams don't have to respect the long ball, and they can game plan without having to worry about it as much as usual. You know the feeling you get when you're going into something thats a sure shot...like you can't possibly lose? I'd almost bet that every DB thats getting ready to play Chad Pennington gets that feeling. He's like a rebound after a bad break up or a terrible date.
You should just copy and paste this post and change the names because it's pretty much what all of your posts end up amounting to. Of course fans don't have access to the info the FO/CS does, but if you're going to tell people to stop questioning them, then your posts are not worth reading. It's what fans do in the offseason. Debate.
I just think this ranting and raving about Chad is in vain. It will be settled one way or another by the CS' competition for the starting QBs. There are a lot of other issues about the NYJs that are much more interesting and not nearly as "one-note samba's" as the constant grown and whine about the QBs in 07. When you go down a blind alley, somebody is going to tell you eventually that that's a blind alley. Maybe one day you'll notice...?
Quote: "...His completion %, and his TD/INT ratio on those passes were also abysmal...." I think the reason they don't have to respect the long ball is because their DL is overrunning the NYJ's OL and putting serious pressure on the passer everything they don't actually sack him.
Quote: "...I'd almost bet that every DB thats getting ready to play Chad Pennington gets that feeling. ..." You follow Jonathan Joseph (one of those pick 6 CBs for Chad) and you will note that he was trying his best to jump those short routes because the DL wasn't giving anything longer a chance to break. After a while he got one, sure enough. If you look how long it took Tom Brady to get the ball down field to Randy Moss, you find he had 5 and sometimes 6 seconds before he lofted downfield so very deliberately. He only threw it because it was open. That famous pass where Randy runs down the right sideline against the NYJs and three DBs chase him futilely back across to the left where down at the goal line he catches the ball about three yards ahead of the nearest Jet and crosses the goal line maybe 6 or 7 seconds after the ball is snapped. Downfield passing is a function of the OL's dominance of the line of scrimmage. If you don't agree, take a look at how much downfield passing Mr. Brady was able to do when the NYG DL was knocking him on his ass on virtually every play he dropped back.
Quote: "...You should just copy and paste this post and change the names because it's pretty much what all of your posts end up amounting to. Of course fans don't have access to the info the FO/CS does, but if you're going to tell people to stop questioning them, then your posts are not worth reading. It's what fans do in the offseason. Debate...." It is not a debate when somebody continues to pick at the same scab over and over. I just point out that they are picking on the same scab and it's not getting any better when they do it. Eventually, when you keep going down a blind alley, somebody is going to say, "Hey, this is a blind alley." One of these days, you'll probably notice it's a blind alley and not go down there again. It's not a debate to heap abuse on a football player at every opportunity. I think it's more like piling on.
Quote: "...Then why do you respond 4000 times to every thread with the ranting and raving?..." When somebody starts playing a "one-note samba", you look at it and remark. When that person continues to play that "one-note samba", you just keep calling it like it is. For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. "One note sambas" are best heard very seldom.
I don't think Clemens has been given a fair opportunity. I think that all these people who see CP as the best option "in this offense" are not looking at the fact that Clemens had no o-line, no running game, and Coles and Cotchery were hurt most of his starting stint... and he still won 3 games while Pennington only won 1. I'm comfortable with Chad as a backup but if Chad wins the starting job in camp that tells me we don't have a QB for the future and that all the "win now" moves the Jets made this offseason were a complete waste, even if Chad does win a bunch of games and gets us into the playoffs. I can guarantee we won't be winning any Super Bowls with Chad.
Wrong. Many of us have openly admitted such. Clemens still got some much needed experience, even if it were under the worst of situations. Hopefully it will help him when he gets behind a retooled line and competes. I'm all for the best QB starting, even if it ends up not being the guy I am rooting for. A better QB is a better QB period. The posts though about Chad being complete trash are by far ridiculous. It is entirely possible that the CS are planning on upgrading the position, but just have not because of greater needs elsewhere, and lesser opportunities at QB. In the short term Chad is not a bad answer even with his weaknesses.
It's amazing that you can talk so wisely about blind alleys while perpetually stumbling through one. If 'picking the scabs' is what you think of it, then I would like to hear your Utopian view of how a forum should work. I think it should be a community of viewpoints making up a number of different pictures and it's proven through history to be the most effective ways of thinking, the collective. Many people on this board have been hardcore football fans since before Mangini was born. All of that experience is nice to add to the pool of knowledge and personality that makes up the forum. So when you tell people to shut up and trust the FO, it makes me think you're some kid that stumbled upon the Jets and hasn't been burned with the J-E-T-S branding iron year-in and year-out. Jets fans are always going to spit and kick when 4-12 happens, and are going to be reticent when the team appears like it's ready to make a run and it blows up into a bunch of horse apples. "Heaping abuse" on a player who will never read your words, which abuse can't even compare to the amount of times I've had the rug ripped out from under me with this team. Stop feeling bad for millionaires that don't even know you exist except as an obscure symbol called 'a Fan'.
That's exactly the point I'm making though. I think Chad can win but if he becomes the starter that says a lot about where the Jets are right now. Chad as the starter means possibly 8-9 wins and absolutely no QB of future in sight. Clemens winning starting job means possibly 6-10 wins and the potential QB of the future. Clemens has had enough bench time and enough game time to be ready to be the starter. If he isn't ready by now then I don't think he ever will be.
He just may not ever be, but I think this TC will give us a much better gauge to know. If he can't beat out Chad, with Chad being as horrible as everyone claims, then he simply is not the answer. I think he's had enough time to be able to take off and be the guy. Now we just have to wait and see if he truly has the tools.
But why does Kellen have to manifest successfully in what is really the "second half of his first year of playing"? I believe that a lot of football people judge that it takes 3 to 3.5 years for a quarterback to really find himself in the NFL. Fans have a tendency because perhaps they are on the outside looking in to be impatient. College players come into the NFL and it is faster, more complex, and requires a major transition -- physically, emotionally, and intellectually. Perhaps the toughest position to play on the field is the QB -- he's got the same huge learning / growth curves to balance successfully like the other players, and he has to lead from out front. If he's gifted and is drafted high, he's likely taken by a fatally damaged team that expects him to elevate their play...the sooner the better. It is difficult and very expensive for a team to recognize its shortcomings and address these weaknesses, while they give this new QB time to grow into the role they need him to fulfill. The NYJs have many serious priorities to address before they are a fit team to be led by a quarterback. Until they rebuild their offensive and defensive lines, linebacking, pass rush, run blocking, and pass blocking -- the NYJs are a QB killer pure and simple. Last year should prove that for all of us. We need to give Kellen a chance to grow into the role he was drafted to play. As fans it will be a lot more satisfying in the long run. My friend, Nick, who's a long-time NYG season ticket holder, is finally coming to grips with the fact that Eli Manning, his primary "whipping boy" for the last couple of years, actually played well enough to help win the Super Bowl. When you talked to Nick about Eli, he sounded pretty much like Fourthandlong does when Chad is mentioned. Kellen needs the chance. We should give it to him. Great things can happen when players really get that opportunity. I believe that.
