The Jets have sequentially fired Eric Mangini and Mike Tannenbaum. Those are the guys who had the say in actually picking players in the run-up to the Jets roster crash. Then Rex Ryan came in and asked for several veteran players to build his defense. He asked for CB upgrades. The immediate result was a two year run to the AFC Championship Game. Then the ceiling fell in as people aged out. I don't think you can judge Rex on what he did while the Jets were legitimately in the window. He got more out of that talent base than you'd have thought possible. The question is how much of the disastrous extension of the window into 2011 is his fault. That's what is killing us right now. We have no WR's because we spent a year playing people like Plaxico and Mason at WR instead of drafting replacements for Cotchery and Edwards and giving them the instructional (welcome to the NFL kid) season they needed. We have no WR's because we traded up to take a track star in the 2nd round in 2012. How much of that is on Rex? I think the Jet's remaining deficiencies are in the scouting department. When the board keeps looking slim with no talent out there then it is easy to justify trading away the draft picks that are the lifeblood of the franchise to move up. When you do this and hit you break even. When you do this and miss you lose. How much of that is on Rex?
Tannenbaum no doubt was Rex Ryan's bitch. We need to first shake up the entire scouting department, then go the "Ted Thompson" route and let Idzik make the complete decision. No major influence by Rex Ryan. Rex Ryan's opinions should warrant something, but the scouting team should carry more weight because after all they are the ones out there all year long. Idzik going forward should be responsible for EVERY draft pick that comes off the board. The Kyle Wilsons, John Connors - that shit has got to stop. Those were players that were drafted way too high.
yessir John Idzik has done a terrible job in his ONE draft and cleanout of the salary cap mess Not one of his draft picks has contributed anything to the Jets this season nor has Ivory, Colon or Barnes (until he unfortunately got hurt) FIRE THAT BUM.... Bring back good management like Richie Kotite /sarcasm
Re also asked for a trade up for Mark Sanchez a guy he personally wanted. Rex Ryan came in and we went for broke. How is he not part of the collapse after the run? Tannenbaum clearly would have cleaned the cap out and had all the picks in place that Idzik had this year and next. Tannenbaum got canned and Rex stayed. You seem to want to blame Tannenbaum for building the Jets into a winner in his 5 years as a GM but not let him rebuild it after it broke down and the league substantially changed the way teams will be built based on the new contract with the Union. Rex/Tannenbaum were tied at the hip just as Mangini/Tannenbaum were tied at the hip. All of them were also tied at the hip to Woody who had a very expensive PSL scheme in place right at the time Tannenbaum/Mangini and then Tannenbaum/Rex mortgaged the future to get results. To separate the PSL scheme from the mortgaging of the future is to completely disregard Woody Johnson's influence on all this.
I feel like you cant fully blame Rex for drafting defense in first round hes a defensive coach but its up to the GM to find the balance on offense.Mr.T was inept thats why hes gone. We will find alot out about John Idzik this offseason because if he botches it he will be gone by year 3
Let's not forget the Scotty McKnight pick for Sanchez that Rex persuaded Mr. T to grab. That's mentioned in the new book out now.
Knuckleheads who have been picking for the last 44 years which have made us losers during that time span :sad:
Unless we are involved in the entire selection process, none of us can answer this..... the process is and always will be a crapshoot - u are dealing with 20-24 year olds that may or may not have the stones mentally and physically - it really isn't a good risk/reward to start based on maturity, experience, and intelligence. those that succeed are just so physically talented - enough to compensate for the early mental deficiencies of a rookie or 1st year player - on and off the field. some teams do it better, some dont - for whatever reason. the only constant, IMO, is the more picks u have in a given draft, the more opportunity u have to hit on a given pick. its basic probability. so the philosophy of getting as many picks as u can is probably the best approach, all things considered.
this is not true, idzic was a grad assistant coach than got a job at IBM, left it to be a scout. spent a bunch of years climbing the ranks as a scout. tanny was never a scout he was parcells negotiater and cap wizard. idzic became a cap guy after the cap was created because he was the smartest guy in the office. you cant compare tannys f.o. experience to idzic's. idz is a football guy tanny is a paper guy who ended up in the football world.
Its honestly not that big of a deal if Idzik is a personnel guy or not. If he is not then you would expect he brought in the proper staff to advise him. He can still have the best drafts for years to come if his staff gives him the best advise in regards to personal.
This offseason IMO is going to be a franchise defining offseason. This will be the biggest change we have seen since probably 2010 if not longer. We have a ton of money to spend, we are removing existing contracts from the old regime, we are going to be bringing in free agents, AND we have 8 draft picks in the five rounds including 4 in the first three rounds. Idzik has an opportunity in the 2014 to re-imagine what the Jets will be heading into the future.
Looking back, my biggest problem with Tanny was in trading draft picks for veterans, and in trading away more draft picks to move up. 2011 - No 2nd, 6th (6 picks total) 2010 - No 3rd, 6th, 7th (4 picks total) 2009 - No 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th (3 picks total) 2008 - No 2nd, 3rd (6 picks total) 2007 - No 3nd, 4th, 5th (4 picks total) This resulted in fewer picks and a slimmer margin for draft picks that didn't pan out. Many around here loved this win now strategy, but they are the same ones who are questioning why this team is so devoid of talent and depth now. We need to build from the ground up using the draft. I have confidence that Idzik has set this plan in action and would like to see some organizational patience for a change.
Tannenbaum had a plan and it nearly worked. If it had worked he would probably still be here today. He did put together a team that was capable of winning the Super Bowl, it didnt happen though. I dont think Tannenbaum was as bad as he is made out to be. The guy did open a window for the Jets. We just didnt get it done.
IMO having to inherit Rex as coach was a major reason why the appeal of the GM became such an exhaustive search. Again, just my guess, is that Idzy accepted Rex with the caveat that he could use this year to evaluate him with complete authority to fire him if he so chose at the end of '13. Firing or keeping Rex has merits to both sides and I honestly wouldn't be upset either way...
I completely agree. It was a nice run, but we are paying for it now, and Tanny wasn't the guy to rebuild.
Open the window and then maintain the window. Tanny did half the job and we almost got a SB because of it. I'd rather be like the Colts, Steelers, Pats, and Ravens of the most recent years than the Cardinals or Raiders or Panthers who had their window open and had it shut closed very quickly.
