Who gets cut upon Chatman's return?

I watched Poteat a lot last season and he's clutch for an undersized, under-gifted corner. He's got great instincts and a nose for sniffing out the play. He reads QBs very well, it's just a matter of getting there in time. I figured he might have lost a step when we cut him this year but Poteat losing a step is better than what we've seen from Coleman so far.

Hell, Poteat losing a leg is better than what we've seen from Coleman.

 

hopefully Bob Sutton (more realistically K Brown, Devito or D. Coleman).

 

Feely.....he's a kicker, come on.

 

i sense sarcasm, yet everyone thinks you are serious.

 

There really is nothing Coleman can do that can't be replaced. At the very least Miller will be able to suck equallyl but at least run faster while doing it.

 

Too bad it couldn't be one of the worst players on the team, Gholston or Jones but that's what wasting money does for you.

 

sutton being cut would be addition by subtraction.

mangini should run the defense himself.

 

He (Chatman)'s on exepmtion for this week. They have a good amount of time to evaluate who should get the axe.

 

He missed three field goals. He actually missed a 44 yarder on sunday in addition to the 33 yarder (or was it 30?) on monday night. The other one he missed was brought back on a penalty.

 

Mangini just gave up on the kicking game at the end. Went for it on 4th and 5 down close, then went for 2 instead of the extra point. Can't say I blame him, why would you trust it? You could end up losing the game that way.

 

I think Mangini hates kickers as much as Parcells does.

 

It's amazing that people will construe that 4th and 1 pass and also going for 2 as running the score up when the CS pretty much abandoned the kicking game in week 1 for risky moves like that when the game was still on the line. Mangini doesn't call as conservative a game as a lot of people think, he's just doing it his own way. Feely will be gone the moment Nugent is faithful in his leg again.

Westhoff has a hard-on for Nugent, otherwise he would have been IR'd or cut and a replacement cemented so we could avoid 2 kickers on the roster. Moving on from a trouble-kicker is what a HC in the Parcells Coaching Tree would faithfully do. Under that tree, praise doesn't fall on kickers, birdshit does. Papa Tuna hates kickers.

Westhoff is a figure on the team that I think about a lot lately and also in the past.

MW has evidently had a lot of say in drafting since he was first hired. Santana Moss, Nugent, Justin Miller, countless regular STs coverage performers drafted in mid-rounds, and I think Herm fell out of favor with him when Santana Moss was traded for Coles.

2 prominent coaches made the transition after Herm left. The first one was Westhoff, who built a very good STs game with AHC authority while Herm played look-alikes with the defensive roster (DRob "looks like Sapp", Ellis "looks like Sapp", Jon GcGraw "looks like John Lynch", Vilma "looks like Ray Lewis" - all unimaginative 'answers' to players effective in the flavor of the week defense) and Bradway destroyed the stability of the grind-it-out ground game and pass-protected, efficient offense... through all of that. Mike decided to hang around with a rookie HC with a staff full of rookies.

MW knew he would retain a lot of control in player acquisition in mid-rounds to continue to bolster his STs unit that he had cultivated in NY with these 2 green prospects Mangini and Tannenbaum, rather than have to build a new one with less personnel control on a new team, and I think it's a sign he either wasn't ready for a HC job or didn't receive enough interest for one. Say what you want about the Jets the past number of years, but STs has been one of the very high points.

The other prominent coach that remained with the Jets after the Herm purge was Sutton.

This guy was an emergency hire After Belichick showed his hand in early 2000 and our current LBs coach at the time, Al Groh, was unexpectedly promoted to HC in 2000.

**as a side note, I think Belichick resented the fact that Groh was going to be forced on him as DC during his 'HC promotion, probably a back-bending nod from Woody to Parcells early on that Tuna had total control no matter what, which made up BB's mind and made him resent the new owner of the Jets - he hates the Jets now. I was also angry to learn, while I messed around on the internet, that the only 2 HCs to have winning records with the Jets were Parcells and Groh, and I'm sure junc and Cakes have posted that fact before so there goes my memory**

Groh's replacement at LB coach, Sutton, was an obvious Parcells recommendee from Army. I think he is a yes-man who has laid down before the team design for job security rather than try to advance himself as a defensive mind. Groh, then Herm/Cottrell, then Herm/Henderson... never promoted once. Now he is running the frame of defense dictated to him by Mangini, and it looks like EM stood in or affected the defensive approach last year because Eric said as much at the bye last year.

Maybe they don't want a stooge like Sutton, but are using him as a stop-gap for the moment, waiting for their DC of choice - Rob Ryan - to come free. Or maybe Rob Ryan is just the next stooge. That whole situation worries me after seeing the way their DC replacement choice (Ryan) has been running that defense in Oakland with the talent available to him.

I have to take a leak.

 

wow. nice post, I never thought about it that way.

With the second half of the post looking pretty accurate, that means this management maze/clusterfuck that has gone on since 1998 begins from the top down. Woddy and his cabinet have not done this correctly.

Sutton is the Stooge, because they wanted him out this offseason, but Ryan didn't come free. I don't think he ever will, because Al Davis has a hard-on for him.

Ryan is an enigma to me. That franchise is the most ignorant franchise from the owner to the players, and perhaps thats why the defense blows. He did get one year of top 5 defense from that team, so there is a shining light. I think players who believe in his system, and the fact that he is an animated motivator might do the trick, but its true that he has his players on defense and they still look like shit.

Mangini has 09 guaranteed, and I think he gets an extension maybe after this year if they make the playoffs, or next year if he goes .500 or better. Then he may get the braintrust of his choice, who will be someone who he knows personally, because all coaching staffs are made up of people you coached with at one point in your climb up the ladder, its never anyone you don't know - that how the fraternity works. I just don't know his relationship with Rob Ryan.

 

I really want to believe in Mangini, but maybe that's just the hopeless Jets fan in me being delusional. The fact that the driving force behind his hire was his best friend... Mike Tannenbaum - a known numbers guy and not a football guy, a guy who depended on Bradway as his de facto Asst. GM until they went out and got the 'real thing' in Cohen - well, I just want to believe in the idea of it than deal with the facts right now, because they do not make me extremely confident. I want to believe in Mangenius because Mangidiot is just too painful an idea to entertain.

 

I'll give him the credit of being young and not having too much experience in the NFL. Being 38 and with a few years as a DB coach, then one yr as DC, then coming here will not give him a wealth of knowledge, neither do his extremely young position coaches, minus the few mentioned already. Only 6 coaches have double digit years of experience. Mangini, Schotty, Westy, O'Dea, Bill Callahan and Jimmy Raye.

The Jets are essentially the learning grounds for these "kids." But being a fan puts the faith in them to do the job right.

 

Look. If anything, Jets were NOT running up the score on Cards. Thanks to you-know-who, the defense was playing like a steaming pile of dogshit in the second half. 5 score game, trimmed down to 2 score game, and Warner kept breathing down the neck with his TD drives. If Mangini had ANY confidence in his defense holding up their part of the bargain, do you REALLY think he would have gone for it? That's what I saw from the play action on 4th and 1, and 4th-and-5 desperation TD pass to Keller.

Jets decided to go for it on 4th down because the defense was playing like a pile of shit, not because he lacked any confidence in kicker.