it started in the 70's, when weeb stepped down as hc/gm . they passed over both buddy ryan and walt michaels to give the job to charlie winner, who was a big loser as the head guy of the cardinals, but was weeb's son-in-law! since then, you can sit back and say they should do this or that, knowing that what they should do is not what they will do. firing walt michaels for joe Walton, bringing in kotite, herm, favre, sanchez, and now having a so-called open competition for starter with only 2/4 guys actually getting to compete. no wonder guys like myself, mezzavo, champjets are still waiting for a super bowl victory 44 years after the first one. it's just " fubar " at this point.:sad:
Two beefs with this post. Parcells regarded the draft with something akin to paranoia, and while you laud the Steelers, and trash the Jets for staying on the defensive side for head coaches, you fail to note that the Steelers have had defensive head coaches since the 60s. Can't say I disagree with the rest, though.
It went wrong the moment we chased Nnamdi Asomougha. He burnt us, and the rest was downhill. The feeling was that if we signed him we would have done enough to push us into the Super Bowl. I still remember the feeling of complete emptyness when the news broke that he was not going to the Jets, then a few hours later announces he is going to the Eagles. As we all kno Nnamdi sucked on the Eagles but chasing him cost us quality players that would have helped filled our holes else where.
I didn't make the 2 sections in my post clear enough. I don't think being a defense first organization is a fundamental mistake so I didn't list it as point 1 above in which I listed 5 fundamental mistakes I thought the Jets had made. I do think that drafting defensive players early on in a consistent manner is a problem now. It wasn't a problem in the days when the NFL was a more defensive competition and the rules helped the defense as much or more than the offense. The Steelers have had defensive coaches since Chuck Noll took over. No question there. They have however used 6 out of 10 1st round picks on the offensive side of the ball since 2004 when they took Roethlisberger. They've used 7 out of 13 there since 2001. They've used 13 out of 21 1st rounders on offense since 1993. They understand that if the offense is not good you are not winning anything in the NFL in the modern era. The Jets have used 7 out of their last 9 1st round picks on defense. They've used 10 out of 15 picks since 2001 on defense. That's what I'm talking about. The Jets offense is talent starved for star players because not enough high picks are spent on that side of the ball. Mark Sanchez and Dustin Keller represent nearly half the offensive players the Jets have picked in the 1st round since 2001. That's why the offense always looks pedestrian unless a future hall of famer is brought in to bolster it for a season.
After the Pittsburgh championship game, letting the offensive line crumble and ending up with Wayne Hunter as a starter. The beginning of the end.
Long-term, things started going wrong when Tannenbaum decided to be a GM by trying to duplicate the Curtis Martin signing every year starting in 2007 with Thomas Jones. There were short term dividends but the piper has come a-calling recently. Short-term, things stayed wrong when Woody retained Rex after last season. I still maintain he's seen his best days as a head coach and has lost his way. The way he's handled the QBs this preseason does nothing to make me think otherwise. He should have been fired along with Tannenbaum.
1. I would have to say, T-bomb - or, for the lack of better terms, T-Nuke - happened. 2006 is the only 10-draft season (7) during his entire tenure. After that, he followed up with 4(2) 6(2) 3(2) 4(3) 6(3) drafts. Parenthesis indicate high draft picks above 4th round. As you can easily see, 2006 was an aberration, as Jets had a few extra picks that they could not trade away [Eric Smith/Leon Washington] And they traded away their best pass rushing asset for a 1st round pick - thus, they HAD to end up with 7 picks in top 4 rounds. Barring the first year aberration, Jets drafted less than half of what they need from the high draft picks. That happened for SIX YEARS. No wonder this team has depleted the overall roster talents. 2. If that was not enough, Jets sucked at scouting (1) and sucked even worse at coaching up the kids (2). Take 2008 draft for instance. All six are gone. Good job. 3. Then, Schottenheimer-Sparano/Cavanaugh happened.
Unable to replace aging talent through draft. Replacements for Jenkins, Woody, Thomas Jones, Faneca, etc... were not brought in or drafted. We whiffed on 3 top ten picks in last 8-9 years. Sanchez, nose tackle out of Kentucky and geez so bad I think I have forced myself to forget his hame OL/ DE from Ohio State. With that said have we turned the corner on possibly landing some talent, finding some diamonds in the rough. Good Future Contributors or guys who are just playing because we lack so much talent. Wilkerson Harrison Cumberland Coples Richardson Milner Amadola 5th round guard Demario Davis 7th Round Full back etc... our record might be worse this year then last but as fans should we be optimistic that we have alot of very young talent on defense and perhaps can really concentrate on the offensive side of ball now.
you hit the nail on the head. Have we turned the corner with idzik and perhaps a few players from last couple years. I think these picks will end up being good ones demario davis richardson wilkerson harrison coples kerley the new guard milner couple undrafted recievers potentially and a very good looking fullback in 7th round
I also think that when Tanny caved in to Revis during hardknocks that set the wheel in motion. They should have just let him play out the contract he held out for originally. Rex drafting defense every chance he got didn't help either.
fact is that the revis contract did not do as much damage as the guaranteed contract extension that tannybum gifted to el taco. we got a first for revis. we could have kept revis and cut el taco if not for that contract. in the best scenario, we could still trade revis and cut el taco. that would leave us with smith, simms, and McElroy at least. plus, cap space to have looked at free agent qbs besides Garrard. look at what vince young did with green bay. but, we were doubly handcuffed thanks to the bean counter.:sad:
At least, Idzik treats draft picks like nuggets of gold that they are. You all will see good return in three years tops - especially if Mornhinweg sticks around with Ryan for long, it will get there much quicker.
Trading up for Mark and Greene Drafting Wilson Signing Plax Chasing Aso Not putting stock into the O-Line Not a single dynamic offensive player drafted in the first round
With three picks invested in DL - actually, make that four. Ellis would have been a late 1st had it not been for his legal troubles - I don't think Jets need 1/2 invested in the LB corp to be an effective defense. They still need to keep on investing at LB and S, but that's what 3/4/5 are for, and Jets are in good position to concentrate on offense for the next few years.
Stop with this woah is me attitude because of a preseason game and Sanchez bruising his shoulder in the fourth. Why is this all of a sudden such a big development???? I don't get it! First of all, we always knew Geno wouldn't really be ready right away. No news there. Second of all, everybody was begging for Sanchez to be ousted. Now all of a sudden everybodys throwing Rex under the bus for risking the "Golden child" in the fourth....how could somebody be a golden child and goat at the same time?!?!?!?!?!?
For me it's easy. When we gave Sanchez the extension for being mediocre. That said, I'm a bit sick of all the woe is me talk surrounding the current state of the Jets, especially in the media. The past four years we've been in two AFCCGs, went 8-8 and 6-10 after losing our best offensive skill player AND defensive player, and it's like we have gone 0-16 for four years. It could be argued that Rex is the most successful coach we have had in 40 years, and everyone in the media is climbing over themselves calling for him to be fired mid season. Yes, the QB situation is a bunch of suck compared to most other teams, but you can't blame Rex for that. Let's see how we do this year before we start acting like we are the new Browns.
Two awful drafts in a row (2009 and 2010). Awful Sanchez contract. Vernon Gholston in 2008. Trying to fill holes in our roster with old, broken down players. Santonio Holmes.
