But he didn't play well and his stats are deceiving. He was the main reason they were in a 23-0 hole before the 2nd quarter was over. In reality, the defense only gave up 17 points, which last time I checked, is good enough to rank #4 in the NFL. And they also scored 2 defensive points. If you can't beat an opponent when your D holds an opponent to 17 points and gets you a safety, your offense sucked. Plain and simple. The average offense puts up 23 points. AVERAGE. And let me repeat, the final score, did not represent the reality of the game. It was never close. And no, it was nothing like the Giants SuperBowl. Come on man. PS: Personally I wouldn't play ground and pound against a team that strives playing ground and pound unless I have no choice. And that's not how Tebow was affective against them. Ground and pound, chewing out the clock and low scoring is an advantage for the Steelers just as much as it is for the Jets. I'd do exactly what Denver did to them in the playoffs, and what Pittsburgh did to the Jets. Go up 21-0 in the first half then play soft coverage and let Ben throw picks or fumble in the 2nd half trying to catch up.
That 16 play drive to start the game had nothing to do with it... Sanchez was a part of course, I NEVER said he was not. If you want to really go into the game, Sanchez played well. I still believe, as many other Jets fans, Sanchez's arm was moving forward on the replay, but oh well bang-bang play. I disagree, before the Jets even started the play, of trying to pass for that 3rd and long. I disagreed from 1st and goal from the 2 of passing two times and running twice only. If I rememver correctly, the passes were not even play action. Also, a Pitt defender said Wayne Hunter tipped off the pass plays. Anyways to get further into the game, Jets scored 2 second half TD's, both drives led by Sanchez. Had a long drive that stalled at the goalline in part ot Sanchez, offensive line, and playcalling. He came and scored 7 after the safety. The team was only down 5 with 3 timeouts to get the ball back. That is a close game. It wasn't close all game, but it was a close game. If it wasn't a close game, tell me what is? The reality is, the Jets were down 5 with 3:07 left, 3 timeouts and a 2 minute warning. Explain to me how that isn't a close game. There was a 3rd and 6 at 2:00 left in the game. How is that not a close game, a stop and the Jets get the ball back with a minute left. A stop on an incomplete pass, 1:35 left probably. Also, if Rex Ryan were to panic and start using Tebow on most plays after one bad half, I had doubts in Ryan's coaching ability. Overreacting is the worst thing the Jets can do. You have to believe in your new offensive system, can't get away from it 2 games into the season.
Again, the reality is, an offense that can only put up 17 points, sucks. A defense who keeps an offense to 17 points is GREAT. No way to spin those two around. That's just a fact in the NFL. The reality is the Jets defense kept the Steelers to 17 points, and 0 points in the second half. At some point, the other team's offense is bound to have some success. And that's what the Steelers were doing. Chewing the clock and playing prevent D. Are you going to sit here and tell me NFL defenses don't play different and change strategies when their team is up 23-3 at half time? Take Sanchez's 6 point fumble away, and Jets may have won. I'm just saying, to sit there and put the blame on a defense who keeps an offense to 17 points and scores a safety, is just silly. That's not even close to NFL reality. I'll take that D any day of the week. Regular season, playoffs, SuperBowl. That's a win for the defense. The rest is up to the offense to do its job.
Actually, Sanchez won't throw seven picks against the Bills. He'll only throw 2 picks but get sacked 7 times in the first half as Mario Williams tramples first Wayne Hunter and Vlad Ducasse, and Tannenbaum will order Rex to pull him before the chants of "Tebow! Tebow! Tebow!" create seismic waves strong enough to cause damage. :beer:
You still have not addressed my point about the game being close. You also have not addressed my point that I never took blame away from Sanchez. Sanchez is partly to blame, but the defense, what was supposed to be the strength of that team, let them down also. They let up a 16 play drive to start the game and couldn't get a stop when they need Mendehall was running it. On the bolded part, guess how many points the Pats offense and the great Brady put up in his first super bowl, 10. Guess how many he did in his loss to the Giants the first time in SB, 14. Funny how nobody ever says Brady sucked even though he his held to a much higher standard than Sanchez. Guess what, Tebow put up 17 points are less numerous times as a starter last season. I never heard the words he sucked come out of your mouth. Funny enough they never came out of my mouth either. So take whatever you want from that. The fact is the defense was supposed to be a strength of the Jets team. That defense did not get a stop when needed. They also let up 16 play drive where they missed easy tackles and let the Steelers take 9 minutes off the clock. I hold the Jets defense to a higher standard than I held Sanchez that game. I also hold Schotty partly to blame but that is a different story that has been told numerous times here. I also Rex partly to blame. I hold Sanchez partly to blame. It was a team a loss, but when a strength of your team lets you down, thats the one that is going to be held accountable more. The defense should not have let the Jets get into a 17-0 hole. They held other teams in check just fine when the Jets offense routinely started slow. Pats had 3 first half points I think the previous game and the Colts 7.
Personally, I think the seismic waves have already caused damage when Rex and Sparano go for a chest bump after Sanchez starts the game off with a 65 yard td pass :breakdance:.
I thought I did explain it. I guess I will repeat myself once again. There's no way in hell anybody's going to agree that in the NFL, as we know it, it's the defense's fault when they keep an offense to 17 points or less AND scores a safety. I know it's easy to point fingers. I know some fans EXPECT defenses to stop offenses all the time. No matter what. Get shut outs. They have to get those stops no matter what. NOT realistic. That's just not reality. I feel like a broken record but the Jets defense gave up 17 points in that game and scored 2. That's what an ELITE defense does. It was the strength of this team and it was the strength of this team in that game. So they gave up a scoring drive? Who cares? Every NFL defense gives up scoring drives, but they still only gave up 17 points the entire game. And gave up 0 points in the second half. The killer blow was the fumble for a touchdown. Again, the average offense scores 23 points. So when your offense only puts up 17 points, who is that didn't do their job? When that same offense or in this case the quarterback ALSO fumbles the ball which leads to 7 points, how is this even a debate anymore? And I'm not sure what Brady has to do with this. But yes the Pats offense sucked in the the SuperBowl too. For an offense that easily puts up 30+ points, they blew. Brady was also the reason behind the safety. But the difference is, if and when the Pats and Brady go down 3 touchdowns in the first half, nobody ever takes their foot off the gas. They are fully capable of scoring 3 touchodwns in a quarter, let alone a half, and have done it over and over. And in the Pats case they regained the lead by half time. Not even close to being the same situation. In the Jets case, with their offense, when they go down 23-0 in the first half, you're giving the opponent's defense the rest of the day off. That was the only reason the Jets got close in that game. Pittsburgh's D started playing them soft in the 2nd half. I personally will never blame a defense for a loss when they keep the other offense to below average points. I don't expect shut outs. I don't expect defenses to keep teams to under 20 points, let alone 17. I expect to give up roughly 21-23 points. And I expect to score 24 or more points to win the game. That's just how NFL football generally works. The fact is defenses can't win you football games. Offense scores points. And they didn't score enough. They scored 3 points in the first half of that football game. That's sorry. And the Jets defense can't do any better than keeping Pittsburgh to 0 in the second half. That's about the best you can expect out of a defense.
Who knows? When and if he will take over. As Sanchez can't run like Tebow can. So that is something to look forward too. They can use him on the run thing.
If you'd pop your head out of the "Tebowmania" forum once and while, you'd see that fact has been thoroughly explored, when Slausen made his comments the other day. http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=71913 Yes, Tebow will very likely be on the field for plays where he does not take a direct snap. The likely reason is that it makes the plays where he does take the snap a surprise. I don't believe (this is my opinion, not sourced) that he will be called upon to do much as a fullback or an H-Back (such as receive handoffs or passes), but he he will be out there so the defense can't spot for sure when he's getting the ball.
With the schedule the Jets have Tebow could be in by week 6 and if he isn't by then he will never be.
I will blame a defense for a loss just like I will blame any part of the team. Before the Sanchez fumble, the defense allowed 3 scoring drives on 4 total drives. 121 rushing yards in the first half NOT including Big Ben scrambling for 10+. There was a reason the Jets felt the incorrect need to score with 2 minutes remaining in the half, the defense had made one stop all first half, on a 4th down and given up 17 points. Also, 2nd and 17 after a sack on your own 26 under two minute, smart move is to run the ball twice and take your losses. I don't expect the defense to stop the Steelers everytime, but letting them score on 75% of their drives is terrible. 60% of their first half drives were scoring drives if you include the one drive where they kneeled it to end the half. The Jets had 2 3 outs in the first half, one aided by a holding call I believe.The Jets offense didn't play good, they played like they had in the Colts game 2 games ago with worse play calling. In the second half, the Jets had 4 drives and scored on 2. They a backbreaking drive end in 0 points where I don't think the blame can fall squarely on Sanchez's shoulders or the offensive unit. It falls mostly on coaching. The running game was solid that drive and they try to pass on 2nd and 3rd and goal from the 1 yard line. Schotty :sad: We can say the Jets defense then forced a safety, or we can remember correctly that Ben had a backup center in the game and they botched the snap on their own 1 yard line. Either way defense on the field for the 2 points. Jets offense scores. Both scoring drives were mainly Sanchez. First one Sanchez makes a good read on a roll out, second drive Sanchez passes his way to 7. So if we really take a look at the game, the defense while just as inconsistent as the Jets offense that game, was terrible compared to their normal selves in the first half. They had allowed 1 100 yard rusher all year. They let the Pittsburgh offense get 121 in the first half. Mendenhall had 95 which would be the 3rd highest rushing total they allowed all season to one player. They allowed this is one half. So this is why if I was ranking the reasons the Jets lost that game it would be defense, and the playcalling slightly ahead of offense, then special teams. The thing that you might not realize as you weren't a Jets fan was that the Jets had started games slow usually. They had bad stretches of football and were inconsistent a lot. The defense was the reason the Jets offense could stay in games. Look at the previous two playoff games where the Colts only manage 7 points to the Jets 0 in the first half. Look at the Pats game where the Jets offense/ST gets 0 points in the RZ and 1st quarter but the Pats offense is held to 3 first half points. So yes I will point the blame at the defense first, then the strange playcalling which can be argued to cost the Jets 12 points, then the offense right behind them, then the special teams. So you can use points per game to say the Jets defense performed better than average and offense to show Jets performed worse than average, but actually watching the Jets that season and the game gives you a different result.
If you really judge an offense like that then you must really think Tebow sucks.. I can count on my hand how many times he's gotten above 17. STFU I saw this thread and who started it and my initial reaction was that it wouldn't be worth a response but as I saw you post ridiculous shit like this I had to post. oh - and how dare you bring up the 2010 AFCCG as if we don't know what happened. Us real Jets fans watched and know exactly how the game played out. We weren't watching Tebow/Brady highlights and playing with ourselves like you. Teblower.
And if you really think a quarterback is an offense then you must think all quarterbacks suck. And I could care less if you believe that because you're a Jets fan you have some incredibly insightful viewpoint on the 2010 AFCCG like no one else. If you believe a quarterback is an offense, or you believe a defense who gives up 17 points and scores a safety is bad then you're a disgrace of a fan to the Jets defense and should turn in your Jets badge.
Wow you are an idiot. I took that direct quote from you bashing Sanchez. When the Jets score 17, it proves Sanchez sucks but when the Broncos are lucky to get 17 I can't judge Tebow because he's just another member of the Offense... Hmm.. No wonder people hate you.
