Our coaching staff sucked last year, the league adjusted to them and they didn't adjust. I like Mangini but they have a big job in front of them and a lot to prove. They don't have a talent gap anymore, they don't have any excuses and they don't have a track record as of yet.
Yep, they don't have the excuses anymore. Mangini and his coaches have to come through now. There were numerous coaching blunders last year. There were so many it was like two or more years' worth of crap, so, maybe Mangini got all the crap out of his system. The conclusion of the 2nd quarter in the Giants game took the cake for me. It was as bad as anything I saw from a coaching standpoint. Bobby Ross's 4th quarter decision making on 11-14-99 charts high atop my list. Wade Phillips' decision to start Rob Johnson in a playoff game is up there, too.
Well said Winston. I couldn't agree more. You have to have solid veterans on the team too, they can't all be young guys. It's better to have top notch vets than the average to below average ones they were replaced by. Young Talent: Kerry Rhodes - 26 D. Harris - 24 J. Cotchery - 26 C. Pace - 27 Mangold - 24 Revis - 23 D. Ferguson - 24 L. Washington - 25 Brad Smith - 24 Keller - 23 Lowery - 22 Gholston - 23 Clemens - 25 Ratliff - 23 Stuckey - 25 Clowney - 23 M. Henry - 22 I know there's more young guys on the team, I just picked out the ones I see being big contributors going forward. Of course this is my opinion.
We got blown out twice all year...by two elite teams...it's not like teams walked in and said "we're gonna beat the shit out of the Jets." This coaching staff is the least of our worries, and I KNOW nobody was saying that when that team we had in '06 won 10 games.
In this particular order: a) The time it will take for the team chemistry to really kick in (don't jump ship too fast) b) The running game (when will it open up) c) Penalties (I have not seen so many needless and costly mistakes in awhile)
Shitty teams lose tons of close games year in and year out. In 06 we played a lot of bad teams we were healthy and we won. This is a league of adjustments. Last year the opposition adjusted and we didn't. That falls on the coaching staff just as much as a lack of effort. I like Mangini, Sutton and Shot in my mind are at best mediocre. With Favre Shot is much less relevant. Sutton has a ton to prove.
You're ignoring the whole...player factor here. Just the big gaping hole at LG threw the entire thing off... Mangini and Schott are good coaches. Sutton needed to GTFO like fuckin...2 years ago.
That cuts both ways, you're assuming that wasn't their decision and that was the entire problem. It was their decision and it wasn't the entire problem. We stunk at in game adjustments and we were predictable on O.
Everyones predictable on O when they suck...thats what bad offenses are...bad offenses usually happen because of a bad O-line forcing coaches to cover a hole they ideally don't have to cover. If you look around the league...offenses aren't all that different. It's very pass oriented, and really theres only so many routes to run. The creativity of our offense was the reason we didn't look so shitty in '06, but last years team just had a gigantic hole at LG. Shit happens...we covered that hole and upgraded the talent at QB. And its their decision of course, but *based on what talent was available* what would you have done differently from last offseason? Keep in mind the cap room and all that...like they did what they could...LG hole sucked alot of shit in...and then we plugged it with a very good veteran. What'd you think of Schotty after '06? Like...it's easy to *say* people suck at shit...but sometimes theres a reason shit happens...as fans we should at least act like we know something about our team besides "the record sucked, therefore everyone sucked and it'll be hell to make it right."
Our average starter on offense is 30. That's 29.545 for the nitpickers. If Brett Ratliffe was the starting QB instead of Favre the average starter would be 28.18. That's not a young offense, it's an aging one with SIX starters at 30 or over. The average starter on defense is 28. That's 27.545. The front seven is a year older than that. Again, while not as old as the offense the defense is not a young one at all. This is a mid-prime team that would look ok if it was refilling after making the playoffs the last few years, heading into a couple more competitive seasons before the rebuild needed to begin in earnest. The problem is that we haven't had the playoff seasons and we're still going to have the rebuild in a couple of seasons. That makes the next season or two a very small window for this team to coalesce briefly before age hits it hard. When I ran the numbers before the Favre move the Jets were 18th in terms of average age, with 17 teams younger than them. Obviously bringing in Favre didn't help a lot there.
Watching you guys go back and forth about whether the Jets will be good or make the playoffs and a lack of chemistry and such....the Jets can definitely win in the playoffs if they make it there. a) How can you say a 10-6 can't get you a SB win, or to the Super Bowl at all for that matter, when the Giants did just that LAST YEAR. b) If the Jets do make it to the playoffs, it shows you some things about the team. First and foremost - they can win games. And also, if you didn't realize this about a playoff team, they're good. c) Even if by the end of the regular season the chemistry isn't 100% there, the Jets can still win based on good players doing their job well. Take the line for example. Maybe they don't gel completely and don't feel as one by the end of the regular season, but if each man does a good job of taking care of his individual responsibility, there will be time in the pocket and there will be holes to run through. Same goes for the WRs with Favre. Maybe they won't be able to see into what his next move is when he is scrambling outside of the pocket by reg. season's end. But one of Favre's greatest abilities is making plays out of nothing on the fly. If he sees an open WR he will hit him, and our WRs will move for him too. A team can win without perfect chemistry. As long as every player does his job well on the majority of the snaps, a W should be the result. The only concern I have going into this season is run O and defense in general. We haven't gotten a real taste of what our run game is, so maybe this upcoming game will give us a better insight into it. I do think by game 3 of the reg season it will be solid tho because teams will have learned to respect the passing attack which should soften up Ds upfront. The run D hasn't overly impressed me and I'd love to see more from Jenkins and Gholston. It seems like Gholston feels more comfortable with his hand in the dirt but if he can smoothly make his transition relatively soon, he could be very dangerous. Jenkins needs to not only eat up space but get in the backfield more. The pass D I'm worried about because I think we have 2 out of 4 DBs as very solid players in Rhodes and Revis, 1 potential solid in Lowery but he hasn't really been covering starting quality WRs going all out with a starting QB in so I can't really say. The FS position...who knows. Maybe Justin Miller will find a home there or Lowery even, but I don't like any of the guys there right now.
When teams wanted to go toe to toe with the Jets and beat the shit out of them, they generally were successful in beating the shit out of the Jets. The 2006 Raiders went 2-14 and they got blown out about as often as did the 2007 Jets. The 2006 Raiders defeated the defending Super Bowl champions. The 2007 Jets won two games in overtime and their other two victories came against a 1-win team. The Jets could not put away teams. For starters, look at the double-digit leads they held over Cincinnati and Washington. Whenever teams wanted to just take it to the Jets, they did it. The Patriots (in the opener) and Cowboys did whatever they wanted. The Bengals did whatever they wanted in the 2nd half on 10/21. Positive halftime and in-game adjustments weren't made. See the composite score by periods. 1st quarter- Jets 51, opponents 47 2nd quarter- Jets 105, opponents 111 3rd quarter- Jets 33, opponents 70 4th quarter- Jets 73, opponents 124 overtime- Jets 6, opponents 3
