Just a couple of Jet related comments from the "other side". 1. I know Jet fans will want to start building statues to Joe Mcknight, and I have to admit that he is a legitimate KO returning threat. But where the REAL credit for all those excellent KO returns should go is to Westhoff and his schemes, and to the players for their fantastic execution of those schemes. The blocking and timing was just so consistently good. IMHO, McKnight was just hitting those gaping holes. I have a feeling that BB will use those tapes of those runs as a "how to" run a good return. Kudos to Westhoff, the blockers......and to Mcknight. 2. The Problem with Sanchez was and continues to be his INCONSISTENCY. 7 three and outs, and then that beautiful 85 yd drive in the 4th quarter. He made it look so easy, you have to wonder why does it look so hard the rest of the time. 3. The Jet defense causes Tom Brady more problems than ANY other team. There is no other team that makes him so consistently indecisive. 4 of the 5 sacks the Jets got were coverage sacks. Now to his credit Tom got better as the game went along and DID manage to throw for over 300 yds. The OL also got better allowing only one sack in the 2nd half 4. THe Jets running game definitely improved. I'm surprised getting back a single guy would make such a difference. Still the Pats running game was better 5. I said in a post here before the game that the Pats would try to shut down 1. Keller and 2. LT out of the backfield. Either they did that very well, or neither of those guys seemed to be in the game plan. 6.Some WR comments- Keller seems to be the only guy who can run a pattern down field.. Plex has remained true to his history with the Giants. For every great catch,. there will be a drop. I was very surprised to see Mason benched for the most part. You certainly not getting your money's worth on those 2 aging WRs If I were a Jet fan, I'd be excited about Kerley BTW- what happened with Cumberland. I was very impressed with him in pre season. Is he hurt? Well the Pats held serve at home. Unfortunately they can't win the set unless they beat the Jets in NJ. See you guys in a month
It took Manning half his career to get one. It took Elway the end of his career. The Jets, under Rex, will be relevant. Yes, the hype for this season was really high. But we did all ignore the questions about this team, and they came back to bite all of us. It still can be a playoff team. They need to get hot, and it needs to happen now.
Yeah I was in shock too. It rare Rex fucks up a scheme late in the game. To get beat like that and not make the adjustment immediately was out of character. It just sucks it was the 3rd loss in a row, on the road, against the Pats. But I still think that this game is going to be the turning point for the team, and they're going to get it done for the rest of the month.
I agree with this. I know some of you won't agree with this, there are way too many players on the offensive side of the field for our offense to be this stagnant. We're 2-3, not the end of the world at all, fire Schotty now. There is no imagination, only fucking end-around bullshit, and no imagination to the running game at all. Greene had a good game today because of the o-line, not because of the plays that were ran for him. This man is too scared to have Sanchez as is QB. Doesn't put any confidence in him at all. He's going to throw some INTs, deal with it. The whole universe knows what plays are coming and when they are coming.
The Pats SB teams had that running game that could prevent comebacks by killing the clock (Smith and Dillon), though they also had way better defenses than this one. Rex circled the wagons his first year after that midseason swoon, and I wouldn't bet he won't do it again. I think they will dump somone moving forward, but it won't be Shotty. Mason is poisoning the receiver corp and I think they could send a nice message by dumping his ass. I thought the rookie looked very comfortable as the #3 WR tonight.
McKnight is still a very good football player. He's done more than return kicks this year. He's made plays all over ST, and even on defense. Its the whole offense. The drops on 3rd down, the senseless calls that make the 3rd and longs tough for any offense. Then they get to playing a mean, tough running game and all of the sudden they have long drives and they look like they're going to take control of the game. Sanchez, along with the entire offense, is inconsistent. What strange is that it gets better late in the season. The Pats know how to take Keller away. Chip him coming off the line, and then stick someone on him. He's actually easy to remove from the offense if you do gameplan for him. His disappearance comes from his inability to adjust to chips as well as the OCs inability to isolate him. LT is just getting old, but he still has some life left in short passes, and he's good in backup duty. Holmes is the best route runner on the team. Plax has to learn how to use his hands and not his chest when catch the ball. Mason got benched due to his comments. Kerley is going to be a good slot WR when he gets up to speed.
This team is not a train wreck despite the disappointments so far. If we lose next week, however, that would be a train wreck.
After years of consistently great STs and the return game in particular, we all know where most of the credit is due. As far as Beli using it as a "how to", he's had 11 seasons to try to copy Westhoff's schemes. Something tells me he's not the kind of coach to ignore that for more than a decade and suddenly decide to 'just do it'. Westhoff's just that good. Yep. And that's great. The problem is that we were built to compete with teams like the Pats and Colts, but we struggle against teams that run different systems, and our offense doesn't play well enough to allow mistakes from our defense. Yeah, I'm not sure why that is aside from poor defensive gameplanning based on the Pats offense thus far this season. The Jets looked completely unprepared for the Pats to break out the run game today. Two different scenarios, but I was reminded of the Pats reacting to the Wildcat in that Miami game a few years ago. That just shouldn't happen against a standard rush offense. With Schotty, either one is a possibility. LT seemed to stay in to block more often, and Keller had an early drop. Speaking of inconsistency, he drops out of games sometimes as well, with frustrating results. He's not the only receiver who can run a pattern downfield. We largely abandoned the deep passing game this week because of protection problems heading into this game. Plays can develop more quickly inside because of the difference in coverage style, hence why Keller is still able to run deep routes. As far as Mason, I'm glad to see younger guys on the field more. Relying on Plax and Mason all season kills our continuity when one or both are gone next year. Cumberland was lost for the season. There will be a massive TGG contingent at the Pats game in November. Let's hope for different results.
joesmoe39;2282523]i guess we weren't watching the same game. i saw pass plays where sanchez was throwing behind the recievers and then when he was on target, the recievers dropping catchable balls. how does schotty get the blame for that. he can't throw the ball and catch them as an offensive co! It's about time someone picked up on the passes coming out behind the receiver. Mark just doesn't seem to get on track for the first 8 to 10 passes. Now some of it is the wr and when they try to bring the ball forward it often pops up....dead meat for an int. YES, Shotty is a big pain in my opinion, but Mark need more timing practice!!!!
Yep. But it's much easier to heap all of the blame on one person and make him a scapegoat for all your problems. I agree with everything you said though. I still hope Schotty is gone after this year, I've never been a huge fan of his, but at the same time, there isn't a single position player making many plays. Not Sanchez, not Keller, not Holmes, not Plax, not Greene, not LT, not Mason, not anyone. Nobody is playing very well. And the OC is not putting them in the best positions to succeed.
Sanchez's MO has always been that you need to get him going with easy passes early in the game. An easy 3 step out, a roll-out pass, and one good slant, and he's usually ready to go. If he doesn't get that, the 1st quarter usually sucks. The OL and Schotty have not given sanchez the early easy rhythm he needs. I don't get it anymore. If I can see it, how come they can't. Once Sanchez through that pass over the middle to Plax, Sanchez hit a groove and went 6/6. There was not one pass over the middle to any WR until the 2nd quarter. I just don't get it. I do not see one other offense operate this way.
Apparently Mick we learned different things from this game. What I learned is that we are not a playoff caliber team. We have taken some major steps back. A) QB play, Sanchez looked shaky, his first few passes were behind open WR's and he never set his feet when he was throwing. Once he realized this wasn't the Ravens D he settled down but then the play calling came into effect. I thought the 1st series we had the ball the play calling was fine but Sanchez missed an open receiver which would have moved the chains. He threw behind another receiver (maybe Keller) on the 2nd possession which again would have given us a 1st down. I thought Schotty was fine in the 1st quarter but Sanchez and the running game didn't get going early enough. B) WR's they get no separation and drops were big today. Holmes can make plays but Burress is slow and as we saw today he lost focus. Mason is irrelevant. I haven't been following Cotchery and what he is doing but right now his presence could have made a difference. The one bright spot was Kerley. Kid looks comfortable. He plays hard and seems to have some play making ability. C) OL, they played much better today but they were inconsistent. They played terrible on the series we went 3 and out and on the series we actually moved the ball they were good. Mangold makes a huge difference and he and Brick were beasts today. Moore seems much more comfortable with Mangold in there. I thought Hunter has his best game of the season and still think Anderson was offside on the last play of the game. DL) They have had tough time with the run all season. MJD nearly going for 100 yards was overlooked because McCoy was so bad (MJD had 88 yards). McFadden ran at will against us. Last week we knew the Ravens were going to run and we still couldn't slow down Rice. This was a team that up until the end of December hadn't allowed a 100 yard rusher in how many consecutive games and in 2 of 5 games this year we've been destroyed. I don't buy the defense was gassed at the end because even early on BJGE was busting out 6 - 8 yard runs consistently. LB) Westerman looked good today, but outside of him I don't even know who our other LB's are. (Ok I'm being sarcastic) but they are slow, can't get to the outside fast enough and can't cover anybody. I constantly see Harris getting beat by TE's (granted these two today are exceptional) , Scott isn't making plays and I hardly ever see him near a play that is being made. Secondary, tell me outside of Revis do you have confidence in any of the other guys out there? Branch juked Cromartie out of his shoes on that TD catch and late in the game Cro wasn't even looking to tackle (something he was notorious for in SD). Smith is a liability and Wilson while improving is still getting beat from time to time. Leonhard whiffed on a big play early in the game that resulted in some huge yards and this unit is constantly commiting awful , stupid, game changing penalties. Outside of the ST I can honestly say I don't have confidence in any other unit on this team. We have some exceptional players in certain positions and some very good young players in others but I just don't see it coming together. Call me a darksider or whatever but we're 5 weeks in and I don't see a very good football team. The D looks old and slow and if you saw the stats from the Pats they showed during the game it was enough to make you want to punch a baby. For the season, the Pats only had 8 3 and outs but today the Jets had 7 They were giving up nearly 450 yards of offense a game and today the Jets had 250 You can say things are going to get better but if you can't move the ball against the worst D in the league who oh by the way was missing their best player that isn't good. We went into a shell after mark threw that pick against Oakland and we have not recovered offensively.
I pretty much agree everywhere. I also love Kerley's toughness. Took a huge hit today and held onto the ball. Last week, his helmet came off on a punt return and he still was lowering his shoulder trying to hit people. That's a little crazy, but you gotta love it. The run defense will be tested a lot this week IMO. MJD, Ray Rice, and Darren McFadden are stars, and the Jets invested so much in trying to stop Brady in the passing game that I hope the BJGE game was an aberration. If Daniel Thomas runs against us like that, and the Dolphins OL pushes the Jets around in the 4th quarter like they did in 2009, we're pretty screwed. The offense was better this week, but the Patriots defense is awful. If we put up 250 yards again next week, we're pretty screwed. I don't see a playoff team either, and I haven't for a few weeks, but I'm hoping to change my mind...
If I'm Miami I'm going with a two pronged attack next week. Moore isn't going to beat you with his arm and Marshall who also has a serious case drops will be locked down by Revis but I'm gonna push Thomas up the middle and try and get Bush outside. If he gets by the first line of tacklers our LB's aren't making enough plays to hold him to a 3 or 4 yard gain. That was the issue today. Our DL was getting destroyed off the blocks and our LB's were not getting there until Ellis was 5 or 6 yards past the line of scrimmage. It was the same in the 4th quarter last week against the Ravens. Granted Rice only had about 70 yards but had the Ravens committed to the run earlier he probably would have gone over a hundred.
just a comment on two of the 3 and outs ... on our second possession 3rd and 2 Conner drops a wide open pass that would have been an easy first down. we're forced to punt back to the Pats from our 19 and they drive for their first TD. Conner MUST catch the damn ball there. Late 3rd Q down 24-14 after Pats score ... we need to answer with at least a FG. McKnight makes a nice return to the 30 ... brought back to the goddamn 8 because of a hold on Patrick Turner (who seems to do nothing but hurt us). 3rd and 10 Sanchez hits Plax for 22 yards but doesn't get his feet down! instead of first down on our 30, we're punting from our 8 ... inexcusable. two minutes later it's 27-14. that's 10 points scored directly after plays where we shot ourselves in the foot. you can't do that against NE and expect to win. but I still think this team is good enough to beat most teams most of the time.
The offense only showed sparks, but they were bright sparks. It's also unfair to blame the offense exclusively for the tired D when we were giving up 3rd & 15s and 3rd & 27s. Need to get off the field.
There was also a first quarter play where we ran for ten on first down, but got a horrible spot to bring up 2nd&1, then false started.
