I know we ran the ball 32 times, but I don't know why we are throwing it 44 times, especially in that weather. Also this just popped into my head, what are the chances that when Sanchez does throw his first INT, how much does Schotty/Rex pull back on open the offense is? Or do they not at all?
Since I don't feel like looking it up i'll change it to this, he looked good on one run last night. i saw him get stuffed on at least a few of those cutback and stretch runs the Vikings couldn't stop. Just gonna throw this out there, has anyone thought that maybe the reason the Jets ended up as the first team to go over 150 yards rushing on the Vikings in like 50 games is because they had the defense playing back against the pass?
They really couldn't run at the end of the first half. They called their last time out with 34 seconds (first and goal at the 4). If you run on first down and don't make it you might not have time for 2 more plays. If that happened, people would REALLY be killing Schotty today. The weather really helped the Vikings on that drive. As others have said, the two minute play is all on Sanchez. I did not think Schotty called a bad game at all.
U think LT didn't play good enough? LT played very good. He turned several would-be plays into positive. Not the Greene didn't play well. He did.
it wouldn't take any significant time for the line to reset considering they wouldn't have to run up field. they had time to run the ball and could have gotten multiple plays off.
I'm starting to think that Schotty has no feel for the game at all. He's a brilliant technician (well, in theory although his brilliance has yet to actually put a lot of points on the board consistently) but he just doesn't feel the flow of the game at all. In the first game against the Ravens the Jets were clearly intimidated as an organization by the Raven's defense. They went down not even punching hard on offense because they thought the Ravens would force turnovers and win that way. Instead the Jets won the turnover battle and lost the game. That one is on Ryan, Schotty and Sanchez, none of them did their jobs well preparing for or executing in that game. Last night was just pitiful though. The Jets come into the game as the #1 ranked rushing attack in the league and they pass the ball 28 times in the first half and run it just 15. Yes, the Vikings defense is good against the run, but hell you can't just surrender to them until they actually shut you down. The Vikings defense is also good against the pass and passing 28 times in a half is just silly when you're not down and desperate. There's no way the game plan was suitable for the opponent they faced, let alone the conditions in play. Schotty was fishing for results that weren't there and weren't going to be there no matter how hard he tried.
I didn't like that call either, you have had some success getting outside but the key would have been to stay in bounds. It could backfire to go outside there as well.
You don't understand my point. You said the Jets could not afford having an OC like Schotty. They won the game. How could they not afford him last night? "The Vikings also called a lot of passes, but not as many as the Jets proportionately and they were down the whole game and trying to run Peterson unsuccessfully. " AP ran 18 times for 88 yards. Not bad. The Vikes may have been down the whole game after the Jets' scored the first FG, but it was always in reach for them. I think they threw because they saw some opportunities. The Vikes threw 34 times and ran 24. The Jets did throw 44 times but also ran it 32. The ratio was roughly the same. You blame Schotty for lack of execution by the O. I know you have a hard on for him, but ftr your arguments do not make the case.
You don't think that is by design? I don't think there is anyway that Greene has the postseason he has last year if he gets 300 carries in the regular season. His style leads to injuries and beatings so why not save him for when opposing defenses are hurting at the end of the year? Why do you think Brandon Jacobs is worthless? The Giants gave him way too many carries early on and he's shot. If they are winning games without using the carries on Greene why not continue to do so. I think it's a brilliant move especially considering it's working.
But they were too far away from the endzone to realistically be able to rush it in. A 3-4 yard run doesn't make the next pass any easier.
With 34 seconds, you can get off one run and then a spike or a quick play but that's it. More than that and you are really playing with fire. If the Jets wanted to score there, and they clearly did, passing was the way to go. I don't see how you knock Shotty for that call.
No, not saying that at all. Don't take any carries away from LT but take 10 pass plays away from Sanchez and give them to Greene.
They couldn't afford him because the other team isn't always going to totally blow the conversion call on the first TD, neither getting the point to make it an 8 point game nor converting the 2 points to tie it up. They couldn't afford him because the other QB is not always going to throw a pick with 90 seconds to go in what should have been a tied game, but was within a FG of a loss anyway. Three Brett Favre completions on that drive instead of the pick and the Jets lose the game. They couldn't afford him because the time of possession edge and field position edge that the Jets enjoyed in the game can't turn into 5 FG's and a TD and still reliably beat a good team. They can't afford him in general because we know beyond a shadow of a doubt at this point that Brian Schottenheimer is capable of losing the Jets games they have no business losing. He has done this with multiple QB's at this point, losing an inexplicably badly called game in Oakland in 2008 with Brett Favre (way before the injury), a poorly called game in Seattle the same year after the Favre injury in which he passed the ball much more often than he ran it despite the game being close the whole time AND the field being snowy and the game played in bad weather AND the Jets running game not being shut down at all. The nightmare in Buffalo last year when he managed to lose the game late in the air despite the Jets rushing for 300+ yards. We should have lost this game last night. We didn't do enough on offense to put it away and we relied on the charity of Brett Favre at the end to pull it out for us. So we got lucky and came away with a win in a game we should have grabbed and run away with in the first half, but the abysmal play-calling prevented that from happening. Yes, however the Jets were up the entire time and the Vikings were down. There's no way the Jets should have been approaching the play-calling the way the Vikings were. It was raining cats and dogs for awhile there and the Jets were throwing pass after unsuccessful pass. How can you not see that this was just blatantly stupid mismanagment of the offense? I make the same arguments every time. The fact that the same things that support those arguments keep occurring reinforces the fact that Schotty is just a poor offensive coordinator. He keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. He falls into the same traps. He thinks a QB having a bad day is worth giving even more throws than usual too. He thinks a rushing attack having a great day should be moved away from to throw the ball more. He just doesn't understand how things work, or he's too stubborn to accept the fact that his methods are often counter-productive.
Agreed. If we ran a majority of the time they would've had players in the box and would probably have shut down the run. Along similar lines, I think is why MIN was so successful against both run and pass in the red zone- the field was compressed so they had an easier time dealing with easier scenario. They play that "bend don't break" cover 2 really well.
One thing I have noticed from browsing other team's boards this year is that every team has fans that have this same opinion of their offensive coordinator.
I like the way Schotty calls these games for us and gets everyone involved. I think he should get a hellofalot of credit for the way he bitch-slaps opposing defenses with Brad Smith. I don't know why people knock him so much. With that said ... I dont think he had a great game last night, and I definitey would have tried at least one run there ... especially with the way LT has been playing, and the fact that there was an effin' Typhoon going on. And for the record ... I still think the worst clock management I've ever seen was Rex costing us the first Miami game last year, going home with 3 timeouts in his pocket. If we had any time left, there's no way we don't kick a FG and win that game. I'm just sayin'.
The Jets won the game. Ryan brought him back after last year. The Jets have won four games in a row. Seems like you make the same arguments as one might after a loss even when they win. Heh. Yes, you make the same arguments alright. Everything is his fault. Uh, no they aren't.
