Yup, everyone knows that QBs success in the NFL depends on what round they were drafted in. Tell that to: Tom Brady (6th) Tony Romo (undrafted) Jeff Garcia (undrafted) and so many others...
No shit it's not consistent, maybe if Schott and Mangini would give leon the ball more, remember what happens when he gets 20+ carries?
You really need to stop. Detroit's defense sucks, and they were missing Shaun Rogers, Shaun Cody, and James Hall, also factor in Kennoy Kennedy... Not taking anything away from Leon, but against a good defense, he could be stopped, who knows. He has been used good, on counters and screen plays with about 10-12 touches a game...That's good.
OK. I may have a soft spot for him. However, based on what you guys are saying, if he win this week or in miami and he plays really well, I dont want to hear any of you guys say the afore mentioned quotes. Yes he has had some bad games, but without him we are a bad football team. Yes hes lost us some games solely on his performance. But he has also won some as well. He also has a terrible running game. We all agree playaction is his best so he needs a running game, as do most quarterbacks this side of Dan Marino and Peyton Manning.
This is how I see it: 1. On offense: they still need good OL. (this time guards) I think this is the highest priority for the offense. Running backs after this. (Terrell Davis, anyone?) Once the OL can dominate the LOS at every snap, Chad's play will come into life, and whoever we have at RB will have a lot more of daylight to work with. 2. On defense: Minimum of two DL. I personally think this week's Jets loss was more of Buffalo's shrewd game planning than the way Jets stunk up in high heaven. Look. Do you think it is humanly possible for Losman to direct 14-15 play drive flawlessly for 70-80 yards and TDs? They knew that big-strike was the only shot they ever had. The problem is that, more often than not, you crash and burn with this approach against a solid defense - but Jets defense is NOT solid. To generate pressure against QBs, they have to bring up exotic blitz schemes, and the safeties have to cheat on the line more often than not. I'd say it was a perfect recipe for big strike - and you have it. I'd say at least 2 stud DLs, and a stud OLB to play opposite Bryan Thomas. Also, now I am convinced that there is no place for Vilma in this scheme - he is 1. too small 2. too weak to shed blocks and penetrate 3. prone to miss tackles these days. Hobson and Barton will make better fit for ILBs.
You can win a Super Bowl without a star running back. You cannot win one without either an elite quarterback or a dominating defense. Our defense currently shows promise and with the right moves maybe can be the kind of suffocating force that allows a QB to manage a game. Pennington is a QB you can put the right pieces around and can get you places, but I'm not sure if he can get the team to the Super Bowl being the entire offense himself which he as pretty much been doing this year.
I am really tired of that statement. It is 100% conjecture stated as fact. No one knows what our record would be without Chad, including you. We may have been worse with Clemens, better with Ramsey or the most likely, about the same with either since Chad's performance on the whole has not been all that great at all, and a couple times very very bad.
I agree with mostly everything alio , except get rid of all our running backs. You have to have 3 running backs on the roster so why not keep Leon and cedric ?
I have no problems with Chad as a game manager if we pay him like one, but people here and the Jets FO have insisted on paying him as if he were an elite QB. When you pay a guy as an elite QB how are you going to build that dominating defense? It's hard enough to build one of those when you do have the cap room, but without it you have almost no chance. Add to that the fact that Coles has a very high salary if you're not expecting much out of your O, and we're committed to Brick as a premier LT in the league, and I question where you're getting that salary cap room for the 2000 Ravens Defense, and how you expect to build that D when you trade away your 1st round defensive players and use your first round picks on Offense. Besides, if you want to see what happens with a good O-line, great Defense and crappy QB, you can look no further than the AFC West. It just doesn't work. Even if we upgrade our O-line and defense, we'd still have to replace the QB anyway, so why not get started on that earlier? Also if anyone is wondering, Favre and Brees were 2nd rounders. If the CS thinks Clemens is talented, then he is that QB. You don't blow a 2nd rounder on a player you don't plan on ever starting, that's a very bad job of player selection. You want to do that, you use a pick in the 6th round. We should have gotten an RT or a better RB in the 2nd if we knew Clemens wasn't going to amount to anything. I think we're all in agreement that writing Clemens off is a rather stupid thing to do, since it's logically incongruant with deferring to the CS on Pennington starting. If they have the ability to have the right guy starting, they certainly have the ability to pick the right guys in the draft to start in the future. I think we're all in agreement that Pennington should finish this season out. It's rather moot right now to even bother discussing starting Clemens. Just enjoy our mediocre season and missed playoff berth. We should be able to beat the Vikings on Sunday. We'll probably lose to the Fins and Raiders but hey, just hope for the best. Even if we win out we probably wouldn't make the playoffs, but whatever. This will be Pennington's first 16 game season as a Jet, and quite probably his last as well.
Much like the QB positions, there are only a few "elite" RBs that actually can carry an offense. Add in the fact that the prime of a RBs career is generally much shorter then that of a QB and I think that chasing RBs with high first round picks is generally a losing proposition. Build an OL and get a good QB in here and I'll show you a mediocre RB that puts up all pro numbers. The Colts finally realized that they didn't need to pay James a pile of money to get good production out of the RB position. And just look at him in Arizona without the marquee QB and garbage for an OL. In my view the Jets OL has been pretty poor this year in terms of run blocking so while the running game has been almost nonexistant I don't think RB should be anywhere near the top of the list in terms of priority this offseason. Once you're more or less set on the OL and at QB then you can spend a mid to late first rounder on a RB if you feel like you need it. I've also got to disagree with some of the names you listed. Maroney has seen only a little more action then Washington, and their numbers are about even, Washington actually has a significantly better YPC. Rudi Johnson is having a lousy year too, he owes his success as much to Carson Palmer as anything else. McAllister hasn't done much the past 2 years, not so coincidentally his two best years were 03 when Brooks was having an All Pro year and this year where Brees is having an MVP year. Bush is a WR not a RB. Jones has been a complete non factor from the middle of October until last week when he finally played a decent game. The only 3 RBs in the NFL worthy of the "big-time" tag IMO are Tomlinson, Johnson and Alexander when he's healthy. And that last one may be a dicey proposition as he's approaching 30 and may never be the same again.
Need to upgrade the run blocking before you get a franchise RB. The run blocking blows this year. That means a RT, OG, FB, THEN a RB.
I actually like Clinton Portis a lot more than I like Alexander. He went into a situation where the team had sucked running the ball for a long, long time and he made it work. OK, the new offense, etc., but I still instinctively like him. And how about a nod to the potential of Frank Gore?
And to go one step further, No ONE KNOWS what Houston could be. The guy put up a thousand yards in college, witha debilitating Thyroid condition....Since then he was injured earlier this year, after being stuck playing with Bollinger in garbage time last year. (no knock on Brooks, but we werent stretching any defenses ....) Build that line, and see where Houston gets you, unless you can get a guy with Elite footspeed. Look back, and consider http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/houston_cedric
