What is the Jets final top 3?

Poeman · Apr 26, 2018

Lenny and THE JETS said: ↑

mac's:
darnold
rosen
mayfield

mine:
rosen
jackson
mayfield
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you best friend's with the Mac man?

NCJetsfan · Apr 26, 2018

Rollo Tomassi said: ↑

Been lurking for a little bit, a little late to the party, just my thoughts on the QBs. I know this has all been rehashed before, but I watched pretty much every televised games for each of these guys this year and a bunch last year (well, not Allen last year) so just my 2 cents about the only position that truly matters.

Darnold. Number 1. First of all, the “USC” issue is illogical--suggesting his school matters when you consider how great a talent he is. Don’t care about his INTs, Winston threw a bunch, don’t care about his fumbles, that can be fixed. Perfect combo of size and athleticism, can move around the pocket, escape danger, runs as a last option to get first downs. But some of his throws are off the charts. I’ve watched every televised game he played last year and every game he had at least 4-5 throws that were NFL wow-worthy. Throwing guys open, fitting it into incredibly minute windows. Literally throws where I whispered to myself “holy cow”. 12 year starter, multiple Pro-Bowler. Highest ceiling (unless Allen proves to be Superman) and highest floor. Will take more time to hit the field than Rosen but I don't care.

Rosen number 2A. Saw as many games this year that were televised but the PAC-12 Network only played about 7 -8 games. Prototypical NFL pocket passer. Perfect mechanics, quick release, accurate, massive arm talent. Has incredible football IQ pre and post snap, moves DBs with his eyes. Deceptively mobile in the pocket, not running for 1st downs which separates him from Rogers. Don’t care about his attitude or his family wealth or shoulder surgery. A much better version of Goff. Concussions a big issue- discussed below. The most pro ready but that doesn't matter to me.

Mayfield 2B. Super accurate. Super athletic. Strong arm (stronger than anyone thought), can make every throw. Massive leader (which could be an issue considering he’s not walking in to be the “guy” day 1). Really processes what’s going on downfield while the pocket is breaking down. Always looking downfield and only runs with no other option, tries to find that receiver. Lightening quick release but also has great touch. Off field stuff is overrated noise. The narrative that he’s always throwing to wide open receivers is wrong on 2 counts. One- he has thrown PLENTY of passes into very tight, very NFL-like windows. Two- look at NFL film the last 5 years, guys running free and wide open every single play. Go look at Ben to Brown tape, he’s wide open on 80% of them. Not every throw in the NFL is into a tight window. Will need to work on snaps from under center- he looked awkward in limited reps- but it’s easy enough to pick up. Mariotta learned it in under a year. Baker is likely perfecting it now.

As much as I love Darnold, Mayfield would be my favorite choice and most entertaining for NY. Will take more time to hit the field than Rosen but I don't care.

Allen. Clearly 3 (really 4) behind the big 3. Let’s get this straight. He’s NOT Hack. Hack is unathletic, immobile, turtles in the face of pressure. Allen is inaccurate but not on the Hack level, Hack can’t play catch with someone 15 yards away without skipping passes or sailing them over his head. Allen can at least do that.

And I’m completely intrigued by Allen, he could become Wentz-like. But I don’t think so. Saw every game he played on TV this year and his inconsistency was awful. Quite frankly, he just misses really easy throws. While mixing in some beautiful throws. You talk about Baker hitting wide open guys, at least he hits them. Allen misses wide open guys regularly. He’s just not accurate. Completion % does not equal accuracy but you can’t dismiss 56% in junior college and expect 65% in the NFL. It’s weak to blame his OLine and awful WRs and no screen passes and always running for his life. He’s naturally inaccurate. He just is. Could be Elway. Could be Russell with a much better attitude.

Two things.

I don't really care who is the most ready to play in the NFL. It’s not important who is ready to play day one. I want the guy who will be my leader for year 2 through year 12.

Second, as much as I like Rosen, you cannot compare his concussion history to Baker’s, not even close. Concussions are cummulative and like any other injury need to be taken in context. You can tweak your ankle, a “sprained” ankle and be back the next game. You can have a high ankle sprain and miss 6 weeks. Concussions pile up, you have one and you’re out for a week, then another and you’re out for 4 weeks then another and you’re Pat LaFontaine or Eric Lindross.

Mayfield went through concussion protocol twice—never diagnosed as concussions-and after the first one immediately returned to the field and played the next game. The second time he went through the protocol was after his bowl game against Clemson and was cleared although didn’t have a game until the following year. Never missed any time to concussions. And that was in 2016. NEVER missed a play in 2017 for concussions. After being hit maybe 100 times.

Rosen had two documented full fledged concussions in 2017. His first concussion he got knocked out of the Washington game, missed a full two weeks of practice and missed the Utah game. Missing two weeks and missing a game is brain rattling stuff. His second concussion kept him out of his Bowl Game a full MONTH after he sustained his second concussion. How rattled is your brain when you can’t play a month after incurring your second concussion. And how likely is it your next concussion keeps you out for 6 weeks? And the next 8 weeks. And the next...retirement?

This was in 2017. Baker’s alleged “concussions” happened in 2016 and never missed a snap in 2017 because of concussion. It’s a valid concern. And I love Rosen.

I’d be perfectly happy with any of Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield—I’d be less happy with Allen but I’d be rooting for him to become Superman.

Edit: The Allen tweets are concerning because at one point I thought the Browns would take him off the board. Now he’s there for Mac.
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Excellent post. The only question I have is with the analysis you give, why you have Mayfield ranked 2B.

Rollo Tomassi · Apr 26, 2018

NCJetsfan said: ↑

Excellent post. The only question I have is with the analysis you give, why you have Mayfield ranked 2B.
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Honestly? I keep flip-flopping.

Mayfield is my favorite QB in this draft and if we draft him my head will explode. I think he's got some unique stuff going on--an incredible combination of talent, athleticism, playmaking ability, leadership and fire. Built for NY.

I think Rosen is probably a more proficient QB purely from a stand up, pocket passer standpoint. Incredible football IQ, can read defenses, exploit weaknesses and deliver explosive throws on target.

Two different guys--we could win for a very long time with either of them.

I wouldn't be AS excited about Rosen--because I don't get the same vibe from him that I get from Mayfield--but I'd still be pretty happy with Rosen because he has truly exceptional arm talent.

HomeoftheJets · Apr 26, 2018

Rollo Tomassi said: ↑

Been lurking for a little bit, a little late to the party, just my thoughts on the QBs. I know this has all been rehashed before, but I watched pretty much every televised games for each of these guys this year and a bunch last year (well, not Allen last year) so just my 2 cents about the only position that truly matters.

Darnold. Number 1. First of all, the “USC” issue is illogical--suggesting his school matters when you consider how great a talent he is. Don’t care about his INTs, Winston threw a bunch, don’t care about his fumbles, that can be fixed. Perfect combo of size and athleticism, can move around the pocket, escape danger, runs as a last option to get first downs. But some of his throws are off the charts. I’ve watched every televised game he played last year and every game he had at least 4-5 throws that were NFL wow-worthy. Throwing guys open, fitting it into incredibly minute windows. Literally throws where I whispered to myself “holy cow”. 12 year starter, multiple Pro-Bowler. Highest ceiling (unless Allen proves to be Superman) and highest floor. Will take more time to hit the field than Rosen but I don't care.

Rosen number 2A. Saw as many games this year that were televised but the PAC-12 Network only played about 7 -8 games. Prototypical NFL pocket passer. Perfect mechanics, quick release, accurate, massive arm talent. Has incredible football IQ pre and post snap, moves DBs with his eyes. Deceptively mobile in the pocket, not running for 1st downs which separates him from Rogers. Don’t care about his attitude or his family wealth or shoulder surgery. A much better version of Goff. Concussions a big issue- discussed below. The most pro ready but that doesn't matter to me.

Mayfield 2B. Super accurate. Super athletic. Strong arm (stronger than anyone thought), can make every throw. Massive leader (which could be an issue considering he’s not walking in to be the “guy” day 1). Really processes what’s going on downfield while the pocket is breaking down. Always looking downfield and only runs with no other option, tries to find that receiver. Lightening quick release but also has great touch. Off field stuff is overrated noise. The narrative that he’s always throwing to wide open receivers is wrong on 2 counts. One- he has thrown PLENTY of passes into very tight, very NFL-like windows. Two- look at NFL film the last 5 years, guys running free and wide open every single play. Go look at Ben to Brown tape, he’s wide open on 80% of them. Not every throw in the NFL is into a tight window. Will need to work on snaps from under center- he looked awkward in limited reps- but it’s easy enough to pick up. Mariotta learned it in under a year. Baker is likely perfecting it now.

As much as I love Darnold, Mayfield would be my favorite choice and most entertaining for NY. Will take more time to hit the field than Rosen but I don't care.

Allen. Clearly 3 (really 4) behind the big 3. Let’s get this straight. He’s NOT Hack. Hack is unathletic, immobile, turtles in the face of pressure. Allen is inaccurate but not on the Hack level, Hack can’t play catch with someone 15 yards away without skipping passes or sailing them over his head. Allen can at least do that.

And I’m completely intrigued by Allen, he could become Wentz-like. But I don’t think so. Saw every game he played on TV this year and his inconsistency was awful. Quite frankly, he just misses really easy throws. While mixing in some beautiful throws. You talk about Baker hitting wide open guys, at least he hits them. Allen misses wide open guys regularly. He’s just not accurate. Completion % does not equal accuracy but you can’t dismiss 56% in junior college and expect 65% in the NFL. It’s weak to blame his OLine and awful WRs and no screen passes and always running for his life. He’s naturally inaccurate. He just is. Could be Elway. Could be Russell with a much better attitude.

Two things.

I don't really care who is the most ready to play in the NFL. It’s not important who is ready to play day one. I want the guy who will be my leader for year 2 through year 12.

Second, as much as I like Rosen, you cannot compare his concussion history to Baker’s, not even close. Concussions are cummulative and like any other injury need to be taken in context. You can tweak your ankle, a “sprained” ankle and be back the next game. You can have a high ankle sprain and miss 6 weeks. Concussions pile up, you have one and you’re out for a week, then another and you’re out for 4 weeks then another and you’re Pat LaFontaine or Eric Lindross.

Mayfield went through concussion protocol twice—never diagnosed as concussions-and after the first one immediately returned to the field and played the next game. The second time he went through the protocol was after his bowl game against Clemson and was cleared although didn’t have a game until the following year. Never missed any time to concussions. And that was in 2016. NEVER missed a play in 2017 for concussions. After being hit maybe 100 times.

Rosen had two documented full fledged concussions in 2017. His first concussion he got knocked out of the Washington game, missed a full two weeks of practice and missed the Utah game. Missing two weeks and missing a game is brain rattling stuff. His second concussion kept him out of his Bowl Game a full MONTH after he sustained his second concussion. How rattled is your brain when you can’t play a month after incurring your second concussion. And how likely is it your next concussion keeps you out for 6 weeks? And the next 8 weeks. And the next...retirement?

This was in 2017. Baker’s alleged “concussions” happened in 2016 and never missed a snap in 2017 because of concussion. It’s a valid concern. And I love Rosen.

I’d be perfectly happy with any of Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield—I’d be less happy with Allen but I’d be rooting for him to become Superman.

Edit: The Allen tweets are concerning because at one point I thought the Browns would take him off the board. Now he’s there for Mac.
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