I haven't given up on Geno but we haven't seen enough about him, doesn't it suck that we need a Qb competition to begin with?it would be nice to have a guy who everyone agreed with and was a sure thing
I have not given up on Geno, in fact I think he's the future. But with his struggles with foot work, playbook, and the speed of the game, and the simple fact we still have Sanchez on the roster, it may be better to sit Geno for a season.
Not every player is ready to play day 1, if Geno isn't ready opening day it doesn't mean his career is over.
I've supported Sanchez...I'll continue to as long as he's the starting QB of the NY Jets...why? Because I'm a fan. That's the only reason... But, I've seen enough to know that, while possible, he is more than likely not be any more than what we've seen. Bursts of brilliance surrounded by a sea of mediocrity. Having said that, I want to point out the quoted argument and make reference to the bold parts. The one key point missing here is Sanchez was on a LOADED team. USC is about as close to a pro program in the NCAA as you can get. The same can't be said of Geno. In fact, the disparity between the two programs is night and day as far as talent levels go...and Geno's numbers are clearly better. Now, does that mean Geno is the savior? I don't know...personally, unlike many here, I don't think he is. BUT, that's an opinion formed on only a very little exposure to him. I've never seen him play outside the various little clips I see on the net. I base my opinions on that and what I've seen from him since the draft but time will tell. But, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and his shot at the prize. I owe that to Geno as a fan. One other thing I'd like to clear up that we as fans need to "alter" our thinking. As the O.P. mentioned, Geno is "linked" to Idzik like Sanchez is "linked" to Tannenbaum/Ryan. The two couldn't be further from the truth. And here's why. With the implementation of the new Collective Bargaining agreement that old stigma is now gone. Let's face it...it's all about money. And now the money is not a factor. Mark Sanchez got $28 million guaranteed out of a $44 million rookie contract. Geno Smith, $5.019 million...over 5 yrs. To compare apples to apples...the 5th pick, Ziggy Ansah, signed for $18.5 million over 4 years. That is $9.5 million LESS in guarantees than Sanchez's rookie deal and Ziggy is going to have to PLAY all 4 years to see that much money. The Lions will know if he's a bust by the end of year 2 and either trade or cut his ass. The investment is no where near the teams debilitating numbers they used to have to deal with. To sum up...Geno is tied to no one. Not only is the money low but he's a 2nd round pick. Idzik can go right out next year and draft a QB in the first round with no consequences...at least from this fan. In fact, as LOADED as the QB situation is next year I, personally, think he STILL should draft a top flight franchise QB, if available, if there is ANY inkling that Smith is not the answer. Period. I'm in the camp that, unless Geno lays 20-30 points on the Giants 1st teamers he is riding the pine to start the season and waiting until Sanchez screws up. Ideally, Sanchez has a career year (lord knows he being paid enough), takes us deep in the playoffs/SB and we chalk his earlier issues up to lack of a decent Offensive Coordinator. Realistically, Sanchez continues his Jekyll and Hyde ways, Geno gets put in for his "audition" for the remainder of the year so Idzik has as much "tape" to view before making decisions on next year's draft. One last note, personally, I think Ryan is here to stay. Everyone thinks he gets canned next year...I don't think so. Even if he doesn't get extended, he goes into next year with the remaining year on his deal. I think he is GOOD for the NY Football Jets. Define Irony = Irony is New York Jets fans calling for Rex Ryan's head because he's brash, loud and in your face. Ummm...did that not just describe the STEREOTYPICAL New Yawker? I lived in Manhattan for a number of years and if you go out into the 5 Burroughs more often than not that's what I saw. Loud, brash, opinionated and in your face people. Not hatin' just stating facts. Could it be that New York Jets fans can't stand looking in a mirror? I'm not loud or fairly brash...but I can admit I'm an in your face kind of guy from time to time...and VERY opinionated. Seems to me Rex Ryan is "our" kind of guy! Of course, there is the winning percentage, the defensive brilliance and his completion of the changing of our shit ass culture that Parcells started. Rex Ryan IS the New York Jets!! Oh, one last note...the media hate/love this guy too. He doesn't take their shit, but he's good for copy.
If Geno Smith can't beat out Sanchez and get on the field this year the odds are about 90% the Jets are taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd next year. All the other issues aside Sanchez is a weak QB and he's 90% likely to be unable to hold the job beyond 2013. If Geno can't beat him out then that 90% turns into somebody new in 2014 to go along with the new HC. They'll probably let the new HC pick his QB assuming that his wants match up with the rough pecking order of the scouting dept.
this says it all about Jet fans, absolutely no patience. if he can't beat out mark it says he's not ready YET, it doesn't say he will never be ready but our awful fanbase will be ready to move on o the next flavor of the month!
Not sure if you heard about Hobbes, junc...I feel the urge to say this because Breaking Bad is such an awesome show. Thus...tread lightly.
^This Putting my admitted man-love for Rex aside, I can't believe how many people want Rex gone. OK he fucked up with his guarantee, has said some stupid shit to the media, and the whole feet thing is his personal business that got leaked (although quite frankly I don't give a shit about that). But as a football guy? Really? How much does Cleveland regret getting rid of Belli? Maybe he would have drafter Brady anyway in Ohio. Maybe not but if you can play the what if game with our coach, and bringing in a replacement, then look at other caches and play the same game. Those of you calling for his head are going to regret it when he's hoisting the Lombardi somewhere else. This is a good coach, who's apple has rolled a little further from the tree (a good thing cause he should have punched Schotty in the face a few times). Don't throw away the fruit before it gets ripe. On the QB position I am a Sanchez supporter, but if for no other reason, I don't want Geno to become a casualty of the Jets FO QB bumbling. Let him sit where its safe. If Sanchez sucks it up - Geno is going in. If Sanchez plays well, we win and we can either get a pick for Sanchez, or keep him and let Geno develop behind him. Making Geno the day 1 starter with a QB competition this close is setting up Geno to fail like they did with Mark. The moral of this story - Careful what you wish for.
A lot of you guys are right. I take back what I said before. Geno may not be a sure thing yet, but that doesn't mean anything. Nobody should be giving up on him yet, we literally just drafted him. We will see what he can do in the next couple of years. I believe he has the potential. Like someone mentioned before, if he's gonna be the starter next year we should build around him and see where he can take us with that. It sucks that we have to be patient. We have had to deal with Sanchez and be patient with this team for the past 4 years. And even loooong before that since the Jets haven't been great for a while now. Now we have to be patient even more because of the current situation. Our time will come and I think it will come soon enough because I like the direction this team is going.
Geno has not played one NFL game yet but as predicted part of the fan base already bashing him. It takes years to develop as a great QB not weeks or months. Qbs come into their prime around year 7. Sure there are exceptions but that is usually what it takes. We are giving Geno one training camp to declare if he sucks or not? This is why I don't want Geno to play this season. With the fan base we have there is no room for a QB to grow he has to come out ready. Geno is clearly not ready and that is not a knock on Geno but a knock on our fan base. The Qb competition is going pretty much as expected and that is not a bad sign for Geno. When it was about raw throwing ability Geno shined (That is a good sign) as the full offense got put in he has struggled. Not a big deal that is expected let the kid learn. We look around the league well RG3 and RW did well as rookie. Well both of them had great not good but great running games. Both of them are also running QBs. Geno is athletic but he is not running QB and our run game is suspect at this point. Let the kid learn Marks has won the competition there is no doubt. I hope he plays well enough to play the entire season. If not Geno may get a shot earlier than he is ready for. Mark to keep his job next year will need to play better than it will take to keep his job this year IMHO.
Its sad when you watch a 3rd string QB (Rex Grossman) play better then both your number one and two guys.
People act like Geno is a first-round pick under the old rookie wage scale. When those guys turned into busts (Gholston, Jamarcus Russell), it was a big problem. Geno is a second-rounder making less than backup QB money. If the Jets find themselves in a position to take a top-rated QB next year after Geno hypothetically proves nothing this year, they do it, simple as that. And sorry Cman, all the stuff about a Rex-Idzik rift or Idzik needing Geno to succeed to salvage his personnel moves is Francesa-tabloid hoo-hah. Guys like Antwan Barnes, Dawan Landry, Willie Colon, and Braylon are being ignored in favor of focusing on Goodson (who still may contribute) and Garrard, which was a low-risk move anyway.
you can not respect it but its the truth...if geno is such a stud why was he passed on almost 40 times? you dont think theres a reason for that?? there is. hes not the answer
this guy watched last years college football season. if geno had trouble the second half of the year in the big 12 (i think WVU lost 5 or 6 in a row at one point after a hot start) what makes anyone think hes NFL ready
ive not given up..i never had the inkling that this guy would be anything more than a bust at any point
The thread is basically asking IF Geno can't beat out Mark or IF he's not the answer where do we go Guys are throwing out ideas
I haven't read any entries in this thread so maybe this has been covered by my take on it is: So what? If he can't beat out Mark for week 1 starter at least then who cares? In a way it might be better this way. Let Sanchez be the sacrificial lamb and then when Geno comes in around the bye week (give or take a week) then there won't be as much pressure as he's only coming in if Sanchez is shitting the bed. If he doesn't play at all this year? Who cares? That means that Sanchez is playing well and maybe redeems himself as the starter or if nothing else ups his trade value to something above an empty can of tuna. The worst case scenario (and, unfortunately seemingly most likely) is that Sanchez plays just well enough to hold onto the starter job without playing well enough to do anything worth a damn and we end up keeping him as the starter solely because he's not as big of a cluster fuck as was anticipated. But, if Geno doesn't take the starter position maybe he doesn't deserve it.
