The cotch play was fluky but Coles was open and made a nice cutback and had mostly open field. that wasn't a fluky play and we were very much in the game the entire 4th qtr. This game was very similar to the opener except in the openr we dominated most of the game and a fluly play allowed our opponent back in it.
It really wasn't close. The line of scrimmage was dominated on both sides by NE and the Jets coulnd't can a single first down on the ground all game. That's very one sided.
The Jets were in that game all 4th qtr, if you truly did destroy as bad as you think it can't be a good sign that we were in it all 4th qtr.
First of all, I believe we were outcoached...in the first half. second of all, I believe Belichick was outcoached...in the second half. At the end of the first half I was ready to just pack it in and say, well another loss to the Pats, but when the Jets came out firing on all cylinders, they looked like a better unit the pats looked in the first half. We completely outplayed them the second half and all of that has to do with coaching. Im positive Mangini was gameplanning for a certin scheme on D, they didnt come with that, so during halftime they made the adjustments on Defense, and offense as well. Lets not put the blame on the players, or the coaches. I left the game feeling some accomplishment, thats the best we've played the pats in years, and I actually look forward to the Bills and then the Colts who is more beatable in my opinion then NE. Due to the fact that their running game isnt up to snuff. Our secondary is very good, lets give this team a few more weeks before we start blaming anybody.
How are the Vikes a winnable game when they've been doing surprisingly well, 2-0, that's better than us, isn't it?
They've beaten 2 0-2 teams by a combined 6 points, and both of those teams have been dominated in their other loss.
Please cite examples, because I didn't see any real evidence of us being outcoached. Let's look at some of the plays/situations that turned the game: 1) We couldn't run the ball. Is it the coaches fault their line pushed ours back 3 yds every time? 2) Pennington runs OB with 1:08 remaining in the first half instead of sliding down, which keeps the clock running. Graham follows it up with a 10 yard "B+" punt. Either one of those things happen correctly, and they do not score at the end of the half. 3) We struggled stopping the run. Our coaches made changes to try to adapt the best they could. 4) 4th an 1 decision. We were down and out. This is the only coaching thing I can think of that can be questioned, and in reality, this was the right move.
Couple that with the fact that if it John Hall hits an FG in game 1, they are playing OT, and in game 2, if Chris Gamble wasn't an IDIOT, they would have lost.
I'd agree. I think I would have ran play action. Passing is our strength right now. Maybe we go for it all on that play when they do not believe it's coming. If it doesn't work, we're in the same boat. Question is, with our play calling now, we have no idea if that came from the sideline or was an audible.
4th and three inches should have had Penny going over a guard. However, The OOB/Graham shank, gave NE the Opp to score 7, and the Holding on 3rd and 20, took a 3 point try, and made it 7. Thats a net 11 points, directly attributable to mistakes.
I DO NOT think we got ourcoached. I think we were outplayed in the first half by a good amount, but made some good adjustments in the second half, and the coaching team was able to inspire the team to come back and make it close. At this point in the season, I have no concerns about the coaching staff and think that the team is farther along than anyone could have expected. We have a challenge ahead of us the next three weeks, and then the schedule gets pretty friendly for the Jets.
on 4th & inches there should only be one play in the playbook. The QB sneak is nearly impossible to stop when you only need an inch or two..
The Patriots have better players with more experience, and the Jets came back and were in it until the final play. Tell me how Mangini got outcoached? The Oline is still young and needs to develop. They look horrible on the running plays. If you can't run, your offense is at a disadvantage. And still Mangini and Schottenheimer's troops found ways to come back and make it a game. In the first half the Patriots ran wild on the Jet D, and yet in the 2nd half after ADJUSTMENTS the Jets shut down the Pats' running game until the final series. Mangini and Sutton made ADJUSTMENTS and had their team - undermannned and overmatched, right in it till the end. How were the Jets and Mangini outcoached?
Like I said (since Herm has nothing to do with the organization now), I wonder if Schottenheimer or Pennington made that call. Question to all you who hate the call.... If it made the first down, would you still hate it?
Yes. 4th and inches is QB sneak, or Throw. when your getting manhandled up front, you either sccot it forward, or hope to catch them coming in, while the swing pass goes out.
I think half time adjustments are a good meausure for how well a game is coached. We obviously made some good changes because we were a better team in the second half. What I didn't like was running on seemingly every first down play. And Fourth and Inches from now on should involve Brad Smith doing a QB sneak. I'll take Chad doing it as well but either way, when you need 4 inches you don't go back 3 yards for a handoff, especially in a game where we proved we didn't own the line of scrimmage.
