Yet another thread turns into a lame bullshit TGA fag fest. You suck. It isn't bad enough that you don't know shit about football. Stick to the BS Forum, asshole.
Please see post #54, Your Greatness! Edit: I agree ... there are other forums in place for personal attacks.
The Chargers? And our current offensive coordinator? This is almost exactly what happened with Brees (2nd rounder like Clemens) and Philip Rivers the year they drafted him, except Brees had an established history of pretty mediocre play in the years preceding Rivers' selection. It probably wasn't the popular decision at the time, but Brees has done a heck of a lot since then to make them look smart for it, and the franchise got a couple draft picks richer for giving him the shot rather than rushing in the rookie. Imagine if they'd benched Brees, let him walk the next year, and the Saints got him for free, and had him winning offensive MVPs and shit almost immediately after signing him. Thats why you give Clemens a chance. And the idea that he's had 4 shots to win the job is kinda ridiculous. Year one, the only way he starts is if Pennington's shoulder doesn't recover. Year 2, I don't think they ever bothered to call it a competition, it was always Pennington's job. Year 3, it was a competition, right up until they brought in Favre, which I don't think had a thing to do with what the QBs on the roster were doing, they saw a chance to make a splash and they did it. Year 4 is right now. So its not like its ever been his for the taking, he would have had to be better than Pennington in his first two years, or more popular than Favre in his third year.
Sounds like a legit argument Stu. The only problem is that by most accounts, the competition in practice/preseason is pretty even so far - many giving Sanchez a bit of an edge right now. When Brees was given the go-ahead to start over Rivers, Rivers had held out until the last week of training camp and so there really wasn't any competition. It would have been extremely risky to throw a rookie in there with virtually nothing to go on. I think that most people feel - myself included - that if Sanchez is able to outplay Clemens in practice and preseason it would be hard to argue that you should still start KC. I'm not against Clemens starting, I just think that he should be able to prove that he deserves it.
Scoutvids.com has some highlights up that focus strictly on Mark Sanchez's performance in the first preseason game. I didn't get to see the game live so this was cool to see, if anyone else missed the game or just wanted to see more of Sanchez's performance... I can't direct link it because I don't have 50 posts yet but just go to scoutvids.com and search for Mark Sanchez.
All in all that is a fair argument, but if Clemens does not win the job outright I do noty want it handed to him to try and pump up his Value. I want whom ever gives the team the best chance to win to get the nod. If the Coaches feel that this year its Clemens I'm on board and ready to go. If the choose Sanchez I'll be even more happy that he was able to step in right away.
Thats the key though, best chance to win 'this year.' I'm not big on the argument that if its even, or just slightly in Clemens' favor, we should start Sanchez so he'll start building experience now. And thats the argument that most reporters and bloggers who are calling this race have espoused, that for Clemens to play, he has to blow Sanchez out of the water, and its with that mindset that theyre currently predicting Sanchez to win. Maybe thats the way Ryan sees it, but I don't think so, I think he'll give Clemens his shot if it gives him a chance to win more games in the present. If Sanchez is behind in knowledge and inconsistent, let him sit the bench for a while, he won't be any worse off for it, he's still young and is going to get his opportunity sooner or later. For Clemens, its probably now or never, with this organization at least.
Argue with relevant facts. What was Drew Brees to the Chargers? THEIR STARTING QB. He had started 32 games for them when they decided to upgrade their QB with the Rivers trade, a move BTW that they might not have made at all if they didn't have the overall 1st pick and Eli Manning was there and had to be taken. Brees was not an absolute sure thing but he was MILES ahead of where Kellen Clemens is right now. He won the competition for the starting QB job clearly in camp and really Rivers was never given a chance to compete that year after Brees strong offseason. Everybody knew the Chargers were trading a QB after the 2005 season but nobody knew exactly who that QB was and it's not clear even now that they made the right decision. Kellen Clemens is literally not in that class of prospect. He never has been. Brees was the first player taken in the second round of the draft he was selected in, an area that has produced several very strong QB prospects over the years. Wasting a year pretending that Kellen Clemens might be Drew Brees just because we got a QB taken on the 5 pick and he happened to be a mid second round pick a few years ago is just silly. Making him the starter wouldn't be just silly it would be stupid and self-defeating from the franchise's long-term point of view. Another wasted year while aging offensive and defensive lines crumble a bit more. Not that we'll win this year but if Sanchez sits we won't win next year either and then Alan Faneca is going on 36 and the line is iffy again. He had 4 shots to take the job. A franchise QB would have done so. It's not just training camp. He didn't impress people enough in the mini-camps to get the upper leg on the job at any point. A franchise QB would have done so.
What is all this bs about a francise Qb being the standard?!? The Jets haven't had one of those since Joe Namath.
