1. What team has all star backups? Whose to say Bender, Gardner, and friends won't be good backups? 2. You keep saying we could have had "that guy" with our second, but you have nothing that says its true. I've heard some people say the Giants were ready to snatch Keller at 31...he'd have been perfect for the offense too...or any offense. 3. Most teams are thin on the bench. It's hard enough to find and keep starters in the league. Who was Vince Wilfork's backup for the Pats? They've got Jarvis Green and...? for DL depth. What you seem to be looking for is names you can recognize at depth.
There is a difference between star backups and decent ones. We are an injury away from Jacob Bender protecting the Qb and do you trust anybody on our bench to come in and rush the Qb if Ellis goes down? Will our secondary be in shambles if Rhodes goes down. Eric Smith is not the answer. Look at what happened to the Giants last year when their lineman went down. They are five or six players deep on the line. Kelly Washington was relegated to special teams on the Pats last year and he might be our Number one receiver if given a chance on the Jets. It seems to me every time a pat goes down a no name player makes a name for himself and when a Jet goes down the team goes down. I don't know the rosters of all the teams in the league but I find it hard to believe that most teams would go straight down the tubes like we did for losing Pete Kendall. It would hurt but not to the point of wrecking their whole season. Who plays opposite Revis or comes off the bench if he gets hurt? What are the chances that we will know the names of the pat cornerbacks that take Samuels place this year. Im sure one of em will have pro bowl potential.
Yes, the reality is when your stars get hurt, you lose. All teams have to deal with it- there is no possible way to have 53 players who can maintain the level of talent no matter who you play. Depth is depth for a reason, only in madden can you have a 3rd stringer be amazing- just turn the salary cap off. If a star goes down it affect all teams, the Jets are no exception. The Pats are a system team- no true stars (minus Moss, Brady, and a select few on D) where players produce but anywhere else they fail- See Tully Banta-Cain. You find it hard to believe that all teams have depth problems? - do yourself a favor and do the HW, you'll see that maybe 2 teams in the league can survive a long injury list, the other 30 are the same- so don't stress over injuries and depth. Hope that they stay healthy and are consistent all year and we can all enjoy a winning season.
If any team loses one or two players they can usually Compensate unless of course it is the Qb. The problem is we have players at Rt, Cb, S, Dl and our 3rd Receiver who should be depth players themselves. We have starters that should be coming off of the bench. IF these guys are our starters then what the heck is going to happen if their backups have to come in and play for long stints. There is a difference between a long injury list and Pete Kendall being traded and the whole season is over. If Faneca goes down then what happens to our line? I doubt very seriously that if one player goes down on Ne, Indy, Jacksonville or Sd their season would be over. I see players on the better teams in the Nfl that would be starting on the Jets. I think you have seriously overrated the talent on this team. Don't get me wrong we have taken some steps in the right direction but there is still alot of work to be done for us to have a good football team.
Not a bad argument, but I think the fact that you know SO much about our team actually makes it seem like we are in dire straits in terms of depth here. No team in our position has great depth from front to back...nor does it matter in our case b/c lets face it, if we don't have our starters in we're in big trouble. Fact is pretty much every team has the same issue we do in some part of our roster. Only truly established teams that have been winning for multiple years ala pittsburgh, ne, dallas and sd have the luxury of pretty mush stocking the shelves with players they can groom for the future. Keep your fingers crossed that some of the players you dislike as starters step up this season allowing us to follow the trends of the other successful teams. Not everyone on the roster can be a big name player....guys need to step up for us to be successful. We are also a team on the rebound, there is only so much you can do in one season. I'm very happy with our off season and I can agree that we have closed the gap with patriots; of course the gap couldn't have gotten much wider but still...thats neither here nor there.
Our team has a lot of problems but our team has been under new management and very young inexperienced management for now 3 off seasons. The last regime left our OL in taters that's a fact. They also left the D line in a very shaky position and a huge problem with the star player who needed to be unloaded or signed for stupid money. This is off season 3 we have a completely new OL and have transitioned the D from a 4/3 with questionable talent on the entire front 7 to a 3/4 with tons of potential not to mention we have added a young emerging star at CB. If Clemens comes in and makes a huge stride our QB position may well go from a weakness to a point of strength in a league with very few top QB's. Time will tell on that one. I don't know how all of this is going to mesh but as someone who saw a complete train wreck at the end of the 06 season when Herm and Bradway were moved out, I'm pretty pleased with the direction of the team. I'm not sold on Shotty or Tannenbaum but I do think Mangini is a top young football mind and shouldn't be given up on to quickly. The Jets were a complete mess by the time Mangini came in and we really needed almost a complete overhaul with rare exception. It's a process and while we could have used more picks, this year we added more proven talent through FA and next year we have a boatload of picks. Take a look at the guys on this team coming into camp and the guys on last years team, we are lightyears ahead of where we were and we will absolutely make additional moves before the team is set.
Would you like me to list the players on the Jets that would start on the Pats and giants?Take a look at LB, SS and #1 CB. Cotchery is as good a #2 reciever as any other team. Our Left side of the line is as good as any,our Rb situation is fine. We don't need a true 3rd reciever with Keller and Leon on the field. If we run a 2 TE set, Keller is the 3rd option. We have a whole new offensive set with the addition of one player. Depth can be addressed in a couple of months. Our starting FS wasn't even on this team at this time last year.There we be alot of decent backup players released between now and Sept. BTW, which is how we got Kendall in the first place.
I would suggest that there were quite a few injuries that teh NYG's had to deal with last year. I think there were three separate broken legs (Ward, Kiwankuka, and Shockey) among others. The quality of play of the backups (and 6 of the 7 rookies) made the difference for the NYGs last year. You don't ALWAYS have to lose when your first stringer goes down.
how long do you think bubba franks is gonna be around?you wanna get rid of baker, just because your hoping keller is gonna step up, in 1 year, and take over the starting spot. baker is a big time TE, if you ask me. he catches pretty much everything that is within reach. the lack of respect he gets on this site, appalls me. if given the chance, i can see him being a top flight TE. i'm not saying he's gates, or gonzalez, but he's definitly in the next tier. i'm hoping we can work something out, and lock him up, so that baker, and keller are our TE'S, for a long time to come. if you drive a ferrari, you gotta shift out of 3rd gear, and see what shes got. let's open up this offense, and use our TE'S, and see what we have to offer opposing defenses
Chris Baker, the First Down Maker I am also a fan of Baker, but his mistreatment by Tangini could cause problems for the eam.
seems to be a pattern developing with this FO. i don't like it.sure this will come back to bite us. always does.
I hate the Jets they are gay..so are u...when will they win more then 2 games a season..never..Go Pats I love Bill Belechek
I agree with everything you just said. Hopefully we can stay injury free and build for the future this year.
I agree with this as well. I would just hope that in next years draft Mangini does not trade away multiple picks unless it is for an absolute stud. The Revis and Harris picks were great but at some point we are going to have to look into the depth of the team. If all goes well with this years draftees and f/a signings we should be able to address our depth in the 09 draft.
We have five players that would start on the Pats and they have at least 20-25 that would start on the Jets. With the exception of Rhodes, Revis, Harris and Faneca there is not one other player on our team that would start on the Pats. Maybe one or two more but that is up to debate. I think Cotchery might start because with a better Qb I think he would be a star. If Depth was so easy to be addressed then we would have never had the Pete Kendll fiasco in the first place. It's rush or Roulette when the cuts are made.
In a year or 2 you will change how you see that. Other Jets who are equal or better now, Jenkins, Pace, Mangold, Thomas Jones, Leon Washington,backup QB,Special Teams, and TE.
