We don't need more picks. We need to pick the right guy with our number 1. This is the weakest draft in years. It might be good in the 3rd and 4th rounds but who cares? How many of them are even in the league three years down the road. The 1st round goes straight downhill after our spot. Trade down for what? Some second rounders who are in the first only because of the weakness of this draft? If you doubt any of that, think about this. Name me a CB as good as Revis in this draft that will be taken at 14 or a LB as good as Harris that will go in the second round.
Minnesota had a long holdout from Bryant McKinnie after doing that in 2002. He argued that they had chosen to pass to him and he was entitled to the money on the orginal pick. He held out for 100 days and missed half of his rookie season. In 2003 when they inexplicably did that again they quickly agreed to pay Kevin Williams 7 pick money instead of the 9 pick money of his slot and no holdout ensued. There is no good reason to pass to save money because you won't wind up doing that.
It's not a weak draft class, it's just heavily favored towards offensive linemen, defensive tackles, and running backs. It's also not bad from a DE/3-4 OLB point of view. There are RB prospects who will go in the 3rd round who are as good as, if not better than, Marshawn Lynch, the #12 pick last year. It's possible that 5 or 6 OT's will be taken in the first along with a Guard, and even more will go towards the top of the second. The first and second rounds are deep in DT talent. The CB class this year is not as polished coming out, but prospects like McKelvin and Rodgers-Cromartie have as high of a ceiling as, if not higher than Revis. They're also better prospects than either Hall or Ross were last year. I will admit though that this is a very weak ILB class.
oh comon dude the draft is a crapshoot but this is one of the strongest in years. Name a rb as good as ray rice that went in the second last year. If other teams knew how good Harris would have been he would have went alot sooner, this is a deep draft class in most pos. Except maybe og and safetys
I think the CB, the OL, and the OLB are good areas in this draft. We can get some great additions to what we have now for our scheme in this draft. That's what counts.
I don't get this logic that because we selected a CB with our first rounder last year, we won't take one this year. Or because we selected 2 OL two years ago, we won't select one this year. That's stupid. CB is one position that you really can't have enough of. I would totally be for selecting McKelvin or Rodgers-Cromartie. Maybe we start them as a nickel back and transition them to starter when the time is right. I also wouldn't be opposed to getting a guy like Clady. Sit him for a year and develop him, that's fine. I'm hoping that Long or Gholston falls to us, but there are at least 6 players that I think would be fine for our team.
So, are you saying you would draft any of them at #6, I hope not. Who do you think will trade up with us if all the prime players are gone? That's an expensive deal for anybody and comes with a boat load of risk.
We did the same thing 2 years ago; we won the last game of the year in an abyssmal injury-riddled season, taking us from the #2 spot in the draft to the #4 spot in the draft. That one didn't hit us as hard as this year (potentially); we really needed linemen and we tried to start it the right way by getting D'Brick.
Well, I guess this one is officially off the plan. We gain nothing if we have to pass. I just pray for once, the cards fall right and somebody really good falls to us: I don't care who it is because each potential player brings a different aspect dynamic - whether it be McFadden, one of the Long's, or Ghoulston.
BPA: Especially in the earlier rounds. I don't think our Dline is elite enough for us to really feel bad about taking Dorsey or Ellis and putting them at DE in our scheme. Who are the backups to Coleman and Ellis? How much longer can Ellis perform at a high level? Taking Ellis or Dorsey def'n gives us another playmaker on the defensive side of the ball, and that is really what we need right now; more guys capable of making an impact. This draft has only one 'elite' prospect and to me that's McFadden. Gholston/Long do have the measurables, but even they can't do it all from the start. And w/the signing of pace we really don't even have as great a need for an OLB as we used to. Of course, this is all purely conjecture; no one knew D.Harris would be so good at rushing the passer when he came out of college. . . The best fit for our needs right now still remains at WR...but there was never a top 10 prospect there so we just need to take the best guy we can and hopefully he can make an impact no matter his position.
We don't need any more DTs that are not big enough to play the nose. They are not 3-4 DEs. Now, if Mangini wasn't so stubborn about switching then either of them would be good and Jenkins could still play his old position. Of course if he wasn't so stubborn then Robertson would probably still be the best option of all.
I would agree that maybe taking Dorsey or Ellis would add depth at DE. However, knowing the fact that we don't even have a FS backing up the weak side corner I think helps make the priority of adding another CB (or helping developing one) on the opposite side of Revis. I'm gonna keep throwing this out there, but again, this move would keep the Patriots from picking up the 1st best CB of this draft (which is the way I think they're gonna go). I would hate to have another Asante Samuels in New England for the next 6-7 years.
I don't know our value board, but I think Clady could be considered at #6 without much argument. The Chiefs are considering him at #5 as it is. McKelvin also isn't terrible value at #6. The Pats at #7 are looking at him, too. I would love for us to trade down and still get our guy, but if we don't have a trading partner that's okay. Now as for the deal being that much of a risk at #6. I don't think that's true. Last year's #6 pick was LaRon Landry. He got $17.5 million guaranteed in a $41.5 million contract over 5 years. His base salaries are less than $2 million per year, so I think we can conclude there's a huge roster bonus around year 4 or 5. So really, you're talking about $5 million per year for the first 3~4 years and then you can cut him if he's bad or re-negotiate if he's good. Most rookie contracts, I think work similarly. $5 million sounds like a lot, but it's actually not too bad if you consider the fact that the salary cap is in the $120 million range and he takes up 1/24th of the cap per year. For a potential star, that's definitely worth the risk. In any case, if Dorsey is available at #6, there will be several teams calling to trade up, so I don't think we have to worry. My board looks something like this, based on need and value: 1. Chris Long 2. Jake Long 3. Gholston 4. Clady 5. McKelvin 6. McFadden 7. Dorsey 8. Rodgers-Cromartie
What attributes do a 3-4 DE need that a 4-3 DT does not to be successful? I wasn't thinking of them in terms of NT...conventional thinking leads me to these guys can make the transition. . .of course I thought D-Rob could play DE for us this year too and look how that's turning out.
Out of curiosity...why did KENNY PHILLIPS stock drop. Wasn't he pegged as a top 10 pick at safety earlier? Why is he no longer an option for us at 6? Abram Elam didn't exactly blow me away this year. Well, bottomline is we still have OPTIONS at number 6. If we don't get Dmac, Gholston, or either of the Longs we still can go CB in McKelvin, RT in Clady, or DE (debateable I guess) in Dorsey or Ellis. We have some options at no.6.
It also took us out of the Reggie Bush sweepstakes which has proven so far to be a good thing. I don't see him ever living up to the hype. Plus losing is never good. You can't tell a pro player to risk injury and play to lose.
Speed, size and strength I believe. Being able to get a rush on through double teams most of the time. The quickness to get around defenders when you can't get through them.
Exactly. Most people don't realize, or forget that you do not draft for need - you go for BPA. You try to fill your needs through FA and the Jets did a good job at that this year. When you draft for need you wind up reaching. Plus every year there is one or 2 players that shoot up the draft board in the month leading up to the draft. That could happen again this year and that can either tip the balance on who falls or open up trade down possibilities. At any rate, I'll be happy with whoever is selected as long as it's the BPA.
I disagree with this for 3 reasons: 1. You play to win the game 2. The game was decided in the final seconds - if KC was playing to lose it wouldn't have come down to that. 3. You are implying that Herm has a brain and is capable of rational thought.
