He can say Eric Mangini himself said he'd be a Jet for all I care...He better not be the selection at #4.
How the hell do we have the luxury of taking a TIGHT-END with our 1st overall pick? This is a brand new regime, they have to adress the weak areas of OL(DBrick), QB(Leinart), maybe even LB since we're shifting to a 3-4(Hawk) A new regime cannot take a tight-end with their 1st ever pick... I'm not gonna bring up the Johnny Mitchell's, Kyle Brady's or Anthony Becht's because Vernon Davis brings an element that all 3 of them combined cannot meet, but a TE!? No no no.
Playmakers are not luxury picks. If this guy can dominate games as a wide receiver, while learning how to become a blocker, then he would be invaluable to this team, now and in the long run. Look how good the Chargers and Chiefs offenses are with a sick TE, good, but not great QB, and ok to good receivers. An awesome tight end can change the entire dynamic of an offense. Granted, those teams also have sick RBs and OLines, but the Jets need to start somewhere. A tight end can be invaluable to an offense, and if he is the second biggest playmaker in the draft, it wouldn't be a waste to draft him simply because he's a tight end.
I dont care, let them have him then. Just because someone wants him at six doesnt mean we should take him at four. GB wants Hawk, does that mean we should take him at four just so they cant have him? NO We have other positions that are of much higher need then TE, even if we draft BPA Brick will most likely be there, so I see no need for Davis to be taken at four. It doesnt make sense in terms of need or BPA so how can we justify taking a workout warrior ( I know he produced but he shot WAY up since the combine, almost 25 spots) I dont think that he is justified in being a top five pick, the same way I dont think that Cutler is justified.
Are you kidding? How can you think that the behemoth will not be able to lock down a 3-4 DE spot? He is huge strong and fast....I dont understand what the hell is wrong with people who think that he cant play in the 3-4......we also do not know what exactly our D will be......so far we know it will be "the scheme that gives us the best chance to win".
Tight end is a peripheral position. With Coles on roster and a consistent running game, we'd be spending a top five pick on essentially, a number two receiver. The Giants have Jeremy Shockey and they still need someone to fill the void at receiver. I understand the reasoning for playmakers, but you build from the inside out not the other way around. If you want a "playmaker" you have to take a guy like A.J. Hawk, at a spot where we have both a need and we could fill it with a playmaker. -X-
I am watching him on Inside Access right now and he has not said a damn thing about even going top five. He said definitely top ten and maybe top six is what he heard so far. Also, this guy sounds dumb as bricks. Not that it will effect his athleticism but Ive never heard more "you knows" in a three minute span in my life. He stuttered all over himself and could not answer simple questions
well Davis is more than a TE i guess this hasnt been covered.:lol: and if you say he produced, dont call him a workout warrior. all he did at the combine was put what you see on film into literal numbers that prove hes no joke(which i would say legitimately brings him from end of the 1st rd to top 10) just say youd rather draft brick me id pick vernon davis over brick, hes far more of an impact. (theres 1 vernon davis and about 10 OL that deserve to go in the 1st rd) and im not saying that makes more sense than picking brick. i say this everytime its just what you prefer. but davis deserves to be picked at 4 as much as brick.
i saw him on Total Access if thats what you mean on NFL Network. he was being asked stupid questions the guy wants to play football, "Gee Vernon your strong, what do you think you will be able to do at the next level?" just because he doesnt address the media in expository text doesnt mean hes that stupid.
There is 1 Vernon Davis The other TEs in the draft are ok, but we can stick with what we have if that's the case. Because none of them look like they will ever be solid blockers. There are about 5-6 1st rd. OT's and even more in the second With the 29th and 35th pick, trust me you can pick up solid tackles and pay 10 million or more less than what you would pay for Ferguson at 4. Bush will be gone Hawk makes sense because he does fill a need, but it all depends on the Jets. My only reason and damn good reason for picking Davis is because this is not a draft where you are going to find offensive playmakers. It is a draft to help solidy positions of need and depth. With 9 picks the Jets can pick need, want, and depth
Have to go with Williams or D Brick at #4. I look at the guy who will have the biggest impact on the Jets team. That would be either Brick or Mario. Brick will alter the way Defenses come after the Jets because he has that rare combo of speed and strength to handle almost any end or tackle in the league. For Mario, he will definitely impact the way offenses play againsts the Jets. I think Mario will have more of an immediate impact than Brick will. Mario will creat havoc and get pressure on the opposing O almost every down he's lined up there. Very similar to Peppers or Freeney. That is an impact player who can change the tone of the entire D for the Jets. Vernon Davis will put up gaudy stats Im sure. Yet so have guys like Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona and where has that gotten them? Not to the playoffs thats for sure. Davis may have 5 or 6 catches a game. The only way I take Davis is if I know he can produce like TO right off the bat. TO is the only WR in the league who can truly singlehandedly change the outcome of the game when he touches the ball. I dont know if Davis' presence will have this type of impact on the entire Jets O. The reason I keep mentioning WR's is because Davis is virtually a glorified WR in a TE's body. There is only one TO and if Davis cant have that type of impact on the Jets than you have to pass on him until later in the draft. The first pick for the Jets has to be someone who can make an impact next year. Not years from now. Well thats a huge risk to put the hopes of ur offense on a rookie TE/WR. Mario will have a much bigger impact on every down that he lines up.
From what I hear Davis is an average blocker, about the skills of Baker. But maybe Davis can get better. If the Jets did get him, it would open the offense for McCariens and Coles as they would not see so many double teams. The idea of an impact tight end sounds good, but we should have taken care of that last year with Heath Miller. And who knows what salad Dressen will turn out to be. And the lines need as much help as anything. I didn't want Ferguson, but he's slowly becoming my second choice behind Mario. Conclusion: I don't have any interest in drafting a TE in the first round
Perhaps Mario will, but I think Mario will be taken by the Saints. That leaves D'Brickashaw, and I have a hard time spending 10 million more for one offensive linemen than I would for the one at 29. In the end they do one thing, Block. I am not spending 20 million for a guy to block
If not Eric Winston you have: Marcus McNeil Nic Mangold might be available at 29 Jonathan Scott Daryn Colledge They're out there
Not a Jet fan but joined the board solely for this thread. Being a Maryland season ticket holder, I wanted to drop a line on Vernon Davis. I'll try to be as objective as possible. The guy is a freak. Maryland was average at best this year and without him their only win may have been against Temple. He treats d-backs like little kids (see: highlights against florida state). And makes linebackers give up. For two seasons, I was scared to death of seeing his leg snap off because he refuses to go down unless 6 people are on him. He may have to cut that out in the NFL. For those who argue that you cant take a TE with the 4th pick, I understand the opinion but he is a new breed. His game speed might be faster than the 40 he ran. And hes the strongest player on the field. Before i remove myself from his groin, I will say he is the best football player in this draft not named reggie bush. Forget your needs at OL and DE and cheer your damn brains out if the Jets pick him.
I wouldn't be mad if we took him, but a tight end is not gonna make this offense good, building blocks liek O-lineman and an able QB will. An improved O-line this season with Ramsey back there will give us a deep threat and allow some development. There will be stars in next season's draft too.
Sounds like he shits gold bricks as well....have to admit he does look like a fantastic prospect, but I doubt the Jets will take him at 4.
