Peterson going to the Cardinals has bust written ALL over it. I feel bad for AP, he would be good for a team with a decent/good line. He is more than likely going to a team that has a terrible line, and those teams are at the top of the draft for a reason..
Yeah, you always have to wonder what goes through a player's mind when he looks at the draft and goes, "Oh man, the Cardinals?" At the microphone he'll be wearing the baseball hat and smiling as they hold up the jersey, but later he gets home, makes himself a stiff drink and goes, "What the hell just happened to me today?"
That is nonsense. The only way a player cares about what team they go to is one who is a clear #1 and, therefore, has some leverage. Any guy who isn't clearly going to be the first or second guy off the board, does not care at all about what team he goes to. He just wants to be drafted as soon as possible. There is no rational guy who is going to be sitting there on draft day saying "Please let me slip to the Colts." Any guy who hoped for that would be hoping to leave millions of dollars on the table. Either way, if the Cardinals drafted AP, they could then trade Edge for the D guy they need anyway. The Saints were pretty set at RB last year when they drafted Bush and no one called them stupid. I like the value over need philosophy. As for the Jets, I think Blalock has both value and need over Olsen.
you don't have to fill holes with your 1st rounder thats why teams take the best talent on their draft board regardless of position. Theres 6 other rounds and they have two 2nd rounders giving them the freedom to take whoever is highest on their draft board in the 1st round.
I think you're wrong on this. Of course they care. I didn't say they refuse to be drafted or report to the team that drafted them or even publicly express displeasure or that they don't like the money. Of course they're going to go for every dollar they can get, but I was just conjecturing that deep down inside, you don't suppose they wince a little? Of course, there's always the Eli Manning/Chargers fiasco with Archie stepping in, but I won't use that as an example because a deal was worked out with that, but clearly there's at least one guy who was about to be drafted by a team that he obviously did not want to go to.
For 99.99% of the players it's all about money. They want to go as high as they can to get the most guaranteed money they can in what is basically worse than a coin-flip of a career. A small number of players actually have enough pull that they can have some impact on where they are picked or wind up. This was true for both of the Mannings, for John Elway, for several of the QB's and RB's that had multiple choices in the AFL-NFL competition and then later in the USFL-NFL arena. It's a vanishingly small number of people that get to choose like this and in the absence of an anti-trust challenge to the draft that succeeds (also vanishingly small chance due to the acceptance of the draft by players in the CBA) the number will continue to be very small. Rookie players hold out for more money all the time and sometimes they get it but they never hold for a trade, because that just would not be in the cards.
Value + Need = Justin Blalock. This guy would complete the set. Click below and then click on "2006 season highlights video" for a good video: http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball....nnel_id=&url_article_id=2596&change_well_id=2
alright so lets say that the top player is an RB when it comes to our 25th...would you draft him right after we just traded for jones??? what if its a qb..do we need another? how about a center? im all for drafting the best player available if we need to fill that postion...look at matt leinart last year! How many teams passed him up even tho he was the best available.....we take what we need, and what will pan out...not what we should take on paper!
I think that, if a player is going to be drafted in the top 10, they have already come to grips with the fact that they are going to a shitty team. There's no difference between the Browns, Texans, Raiders, Lions, and Buccs right now - they all suck. Maybe, on some level, a player roots to go one place over another because they like the area or the coach. That doesn't mean they want to drop in the draft, though. A rational player will play for the Lions for more money instead of the Colts for less money. Then again, maybe some players aren't rational . . .
I really won't offer an opinion on who I want because it's irrelevant to the discussion. What I think is relative is as Ellis-92 already pointed out - you guys are underrating Olsen's talent and ability to contribute to this team. Given Shcotty's creative offense and creative use of packages, shifts, etc. - Olsen would be a very solid contributor to the offense - without taking away from Baker. TE is a position that you can have 2 of on the field! If you have two competent TE's on the field who can block and catch your offense is going to be capable of alot of different things. I support whoever our FO takes and with the state of our team (no Michael Jordan's) taking value over need - barring a tradedown - is definitely the smart way to go.
The line held up to the tune of 10 wins and allowed Chad to have his 1st full season as a starter. There is no need to exaggerate just because you don't a particular player.
Exactly! I'm a 'Canes fan and when this guy transferred, I think from ND, he was going to rewrite all the records for TE's at UM. Not only did that not happen, he was a major disappointment. I swear, when I heard he was coming out early, I started laughing. He had a couple games that he was a factor in, but if you guys want a TE to drop a lot of passes at very crucial times, he's your guy.
Value over need....Your argument is sound. Who can really refute any idea at this point. today...All 'IMO's' are valid & just as good as the rest. Nobody, not even the Jets' will or can know until they say ...."Jets are on the clock " !!! Its very hard to pre-judge at #25. What really happens is...a team will probally pick the "best available player"....What else can you do at #25 ? You pick the best of what is left & if that equates to a need...then bully! bully! bully! Now, what I notice the good teams do (Pats', Eagles, & the rest of the perennial contenders) is draft a top offensive lineman when there drafting so low. It helps keep team strong...ex: Shawn Andrews, Logan Mankins, the list goes on & on. Drafting a top flight OL or impact player never hurts a team, but an OL is usually a player the last 7 - 10 years in the league. A guy like Blaylock is from a good winning program & he is gonna be a handful for the opposition. Him at RG (I feel that will be his best pro position) will give the Jets a big boost & help establish that much malinged running game. He's a player that Jets can run behind on short yardage. Couple this with the fact that Mangini will really motivate this guy, he might become a dominant player? Then when Jets get a new LG & RT next season, Jets' will be on there way. :up: Now if Blaylock is gone by the time the Jets' select, maybe CB. This is a fact.......If by some chance "Ted Ginn WR" falls to #25....Jets gotta take him. Either way....I feel very confident that Tangini will address as many team needs as possible & Jets' fans will be quite happy. Looks for Jets to draft offense in round 1 with all the defensive signings during free-agency. Jets' always have some tricks up there sleeves :rofl:
NO WAY........:drunk: Go to www.espn.com & look at the depth chart there. They have a nice layout. Compare Jets' offense & defense to Pats' offense & defense. Especially the defense!!! Buddy,,,,you will then see that it is need & not value. :martin:
Last year we had great draft picks because of the 05 record. I would expect those players to have played well, which most of them did. This year we have crap picks throughout so for everybody that thinks the FO are geniuses, this is the year that will either confirm that or debunk it. How this year's picks work out will tell a lot.
I would say need should always be the first consideration, but reviewing the situation, talent should be taken sometimes. Like the Texans going with need last year, when obviously Bush was the most talented.
So you're going to sit there and tell me that you were happy with the performance of our OL last year, especially Moore's weekly penalties? The right side is in need of a serious makeover, and Kendall isn't getting any older. You act as if I'm making this up. Let's see how things pan out. I'm stressing need over value, and you, amongst some others, are stressing the opposite. It will be interesting to see how the regime plays their cards. Will they go the Boobway route and take a TE, ignoring more pressing positions that can be addressed either on the spot or with a tradedown, acquiring picks, or will they go for a position not really of need, which will surely upgrade the TE position but at the sacrifice of others? Time will tell. There's two sides to the argument and neither one is going to win.
