What will you say when and if Walsh nails the Patriots? Obviously certain things take time. One thing for sure, an awful lot of Patriot fans been talking, blaming Mangini for ratting on a fellow HC, trying to discredit Walsh, claiming that the Patriots never cheated instead of talking dynasty and celebrating the perfect season and fourth ring.
1 - IF he were to be suspended he would certainly be cut loose. 2 - Not true, since the allegations the NFL has only now admitted they knew about taping in 2000-2002. Nothing they admitted in September. 3 - If you really believe that Walsh has nothing and is willing to put himself, his lawyer, the NFL and even a US Senator through this for kicks...well then I have a bridge you may want to buy.
1) He was just signed to a contract extension. If hes suspended, that sucks but there is no way the best coach in the NFL would be cut loose. The owners, the players and the fans support Belichick as the Head Coach, he isn't going anyway which is unfortunate for you as a division rival. 2) Goodell knew all of this information when he handed down the punishment to the Patriots/Belichick. He knew how far it went back, he saw the documentation and the film they turned over, had an admission of guilt and levied an unprecedented fine. What he stated was true, there has been no NEW evidence against the Patriots, its just been the same bullshit we've heard since September, whicht the Patriots were already punished for. The fact that we, the fans, didn't know it dated back to 2001 is irrelevant because the NFL are the ones who are judge and jury, saw the evidence and punished the team. 3) Just like the chick who was suing Moss for "battery?" People always have MOTIVE when they do something, especially something that is so huge and in the public's eye. If you think that Walsh and his lawyer have nothing to gain from any of this, then I have a bridge to sell YOU! His lawyer is getting incredible publicity in all of this, as well as Walsh who was a NOBODY before any of this came out and now hes practically famous for something he has yet to even prove. Like I said, I hope you pre-order a copy of his book that hes SURE to write after all of this is over, or perhaps he'll open a golf club or some other business and drop a plug into one of his 1000 inevitable interviews. Until Walsh comes forth with something we like to call EVIDENCE, its purely accusations. Nothing new has come of this, just recycling old news over and over again and exaggerating it to continue to write stories and make money. I'll wait to see the PROOF, until then this guy is a liar as far as I'm concerned, or at least slightly confused.
1 - Kraft may love him to death but I'm sure there is an out clause in that new contract if something more comes of this. Kraft also wouldn't want to be considered an idiot by keeping a coach who is serving a one year suspension. He goes if that happens. 2 - Yes, Goodell knew it but never made it public. You had said nothing knew would come out. It already has. 3 - Of course he has a motive. I'm just saying he also has evidence or this would have never gotten to this point. Whether it's anything new or not, and I tend to agree with you that there may be nothin new here, we will just have to wait and see.
As are we all...certainly smells like a stalling tactic on the part of Goodell and the league. Seems they could have gotten this done a month ago if they had wanted to.
The latest according to Specter. It appears that Walsh has the goods and the NFL is stalling. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_032108/content/01125110.guest.html RUSH: Lot of football fans in this audience. Since the Super Bowl we've heard very little about this guy in Hawaii, Matt Walsh, that claims to have videotape of the New England Patriots and the St. Louis Rams walk through the Saturday before their Super Bowl. What's the status of that? SEN. SPECTER: Well, the status of it is that there has been an exchange of correspondence between Walsh's lawyers and the NFL lawyers. I've seen the letters. Walsh's lawyer let me see them on a promise of confidentiality, and I believe an objective and fair reading of those letters is that the NFL is discouraging Walsh from coming forward. RUSH: Really? Because their statements are just exact opposite. SEN. SPECTER: Well, the NFL says they're trying to encourage them, and I issued the challenge to the commissioner a couple of Saturdays ago, and they put out a Sunday release that they were making substantial progress. Well, we've had almost two weeks since that Sunday release, and nothing has happened. I believe those... Listen, I think the NFL has a duty of integrity. They have an anti-trust exemption, which gives them a preferred position. They are role models. If you can cheat in the NFL, you can cheat in college or high school or sixth grade math test. I think ultimately, Rush, if we get enough fire under it, they're going to have to show those letters -- and when they do, they're going to have to change their tune and let Walsh testify, because those reports are looking pretty strong, but there was filming for the 2002 Super Bowl. RUSH: Senator, ten seconds, enough time to thank you for your appearance here. Congratulations on your book. It's extremely well done, and congratulations on your recovery from the disease. Thank you very much for your time, today. SEN. SPECTER: Great talking, Rush. Thank you. RUSH: You bet.
My opinion hasn't changed... Bill Belifuck is the biggest piece of cheating scum in the NFL. Fuck Bill, Fuck Brady, Fuck Kraft...FUCK THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS. (Sorry for the excessive use of strong language, but believe me...it makes me feel better)
It doesn't matter anymore.... that Franchise, no matter what they do in the next 25 years, no one will take them seriously and they will forever be cheaters and tarnished. Brady, BB, Kraft-- no one's career is safe from this. When the HOF comes into play, i can't wait to see this being brought up again.
I doubt this will hurt Brady too much. When the HOF ballot roles around and they bring this up he's going to get nothing but sympathy and admiration. ESPN was drooling all over him this whole season while the Beli-cheat controversy fizzled and cooled in a matter of weeks. As soon as someone mentions it the response will be a halestorm of "he wasn't the one ordering the taping," "how couold he have really known," and "what player in their right mind would actually rat out their coach like that?" Granted their were probably some things the players should have been suspicious about - I think Ted Johnson said that every so often he would get a list of the opponent's audibles by halftime - but I doubt that the players were actually being shown the taped material and even then it would have been passed off as gamesmanship.
The NFL, the sports media, broadcasters, are all invested heavily in the game. They don't want it to be known that the entire league may be tainted and not just the patriots and bob kraft. Look at all the BS calls by the referees. If that wasn't true, why are they afraid of letting the truth be known? Of course brady benefited from knowing the defensive plays. How could that not have helped him rack up those stats and superbowl wins? Interesting that Ted Johnson may have known the other teams audibles. I just refuse to believe that the patriots defense could shut down Manning and the Colts completely in Foxboro in the AFC championship game two years ago. There were some games where it clearly looked like the pats defense knew what plays were coming.
Please let Specter find a way to get Walsh to come forward so we can see what he has, I am sick and tired of waiting and hoping he has enough to permanantly taint the Pats Dynasty*
Whatever they've done, it can't have been that widespread among the players. Someone would've piped up about it by now.
I've wondered that same thing. Either they had a way to keep a lot of people quiet about this, or they were exceptionally sneaky about who knew it was going on.
Or perhaps whatever was going on wasn't substantial enough to keep a huge secret about. The problem with this whole thing is that for each side's conjecture about what happened, there is an equal and just as likely response to that on the other side. Why? Because really all this is, is abstract conversation about what it might be, and why it's been taking so long. I don't think the reason that it's taking this long is that Walsh has nothing, or that the league stalling, it seems more likely that they're just hammering out legal language at this point. I almost feel like this thread should just be locked until anything new develops.
Wrong, its because the NFL accepted the Patriots at their word that there was nothing else, and then saw fit to destroy the evidence.
You are making the assumption that the NFL accepted the Pats at their word and didn't do any further investigating. Maybe they did,maybe they didn't, but just because they didn't make their investigation public doesn't mean their was no investigation. And to clarify why I think this thread should be locked until anything new develops, at this point everyone has speculated, and yet there is still no news. None of us can offer any new insights into this without creating hypotheticals. I just don't see the point of continuing to beat this subject to death until we have more knowledge.
^^ I don't disagree. I was just pointing out the reason why this is all conjecture isn't the one you identified. But you are right that nothing new of any substance has been brought to light. But why lock the thread? You afraid that people are going to say mean things about the patriots and St. Bellicheck on a Jets message board? Show a little sac. Figuratively.
