I agree with that. My only concern is that Santana stays healthy. He has always been healthy his entire career but if he were to get hurt then it would look like a bad deal for us. Especially when you add in the 25 million a year he will be costing us.
You've never heard me complain about giving up Cabrera, just Hughes but like I said earlier I actually like this deal now. We only have to give up 3 players instead of 4 and the third will be a second tier pitcher of which we have plenty. Besides, there is an article this morning that says we have been talking to Rowland's agent for the last two weeks anyway.
Well this morning, I thought about it and actually really like this trade, and here are some reasons. 1. Since Guidry we haven't had easily the best pitcher in the league in my opinion. Santana is an amazing pitcher and he is only 28 and could likely get another 10 years under his belt. 2. Yes he could get hurt, but so could A-Rod, and not many people mentioned that when the Yanks and Alex were negotiating a deal. 3. Besides, I don't know the stats but compare how well 28 year old 2 time CY Young Winners have fared for the rest of their career vs. 21 year old very good prospects. Im guessing the success rate for Santana's rate is much higher. 4. Also, we have plenty of good prospects in the system to step up for Melky, and finding an outfielder of his type in free agency is not entirely difficult. Finding a caliber of Santana's type really is. 5. Finally those comparing Kerry Wood and Mark Prior's injuries with what could happen to Santana....not really a fair comparison at this point as Santana has pitched much longer and much more consistenly then the two Cubs players had at the time of their first injuries. 6. Yes, technically it is a risk. But the Twins are taking a risk as well...what happens if Hughes were to be mediocre (which I highly doubt), and Santana were to win 3 more Cy Youngs with New York and end his career with 250-300 wins. Anyways, that's my two cents and honestly, if we could get Santana for Hughes, Melky, and one more minor leaguer I would be very happy with that trade.
Apparently you have not spent too much time watching Ryan Church play. Church has a career higher fielding percentage, made only 3 errors last year and has a stronger arm. Church has played over 350 games in the majors, more than 100 than Cabrera, and has fewer career errors. So why would you say Melky is a superior defensive player?
The difference with all those comparisons is that we aren't giving up a thing to get any of them, much less three or four of our best players/prospects. That's the issue here.
"With the Yankees' upgraded offer for Twins left-hander Johan Santana now on the table Saturday morning, Yankees' officials are confident that they will sign Santana if a deal is worked out. And the club's internal plan, if center fielder Melky Cabrera is included in the trade, is to switch veteran Johnny Damon from left field back to center field. " We all know he has no arm but we are paying him 12 million a year. We are probably better off with both Damon and Matsui in the lineup everyday then to have one of them being a prat time DH. This also allows Giambi to be the full time DH and maybe get into a groove. Good idea. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3136495
Yeah, and you know they need a CF now so Melky is high on their list....but Hughes, damn. We really have to begin asking ourselves. Is Melky and Hughes < Santana? Melky in CF and Damon in left was not bad on Defense (minus 1 or 2 Damon plays) and Hughes probably has the biggest upside of any pitcher on the roster.
No...Boston's gonna get Santana... I dont need any logical or detailed reasoning as to why. Just how things go nowadays. Boston gets everything to go their way..
I am really beginning to think we shouldnt trade any of the 3...please remember the big 3 of the atlanta braves back in the 90's
They didn't, probably because he isn't. He is in fact the WORST of the three defensively. I can get the metrics for you if you want, but anyone who has watched them play could tell you that Crisp is the best of that trio, he is an elite defensive player, while Cabrera is a serviceable to bad CF probably better suited to the corner, but without the bat to play there, and Church is slightly above average. Fielding bible scores: Crisp +22, Cabrera -22, Church +12( as a LF) For comparison's sake, the top 2 CFs were beltran at +25 and Andrew Jones at +24, crisp was 3rd. Cabrerra was 2nd to last, beating only Gary Matthews JR wh had a -26. They were the only two at -20 or more. For a church comparison, among LF he was 4th, but well behind Eric Byrnes' +26, I would assume he sees a drop moving to CF as his range isn't amazing. The low score was manny ramirez at -38, who was incidently better only than Ryan Braun for worst overall.
And Santana has two Cy Youngs..that's the difference between potential and results and why Hughes is part of the trade.
Twins, Yanks "closer" on Santana deal. Says that the only discussion now is that the Twins want Jackson or Horne with Hughes & Cabrera but the Yankees are saying no. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/01/santana.talks/index.html
If this happens, the Twins have one hell of a young core... Mauer/Morneau/Liriano/Hughes/Melky/Delmon Young/Slowey/Baker
I'm still totally unsure what I want, but I'm completely disappointed how the Yankees are bending in every single negotiation so far this offseason. Ignore every quote you see. Cashman's role has been diminished, and it sucks.
