Trading up?

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  1. RobA

    RobA 2005-2007 TGG.com Most Optimistic Award Winner

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    I would take Chris Houston at 25, but if the FO thinks they can get him later, then I agree trading down would be best.
     
  2. BleedingGreen55

    BleedingGreen55 Active Member

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    What's the deal with this chart? I haven't really heard of this. How reliable/consistent is this chart? Please forgive my ignorance.
    Thanx
     
  3. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6330687

    The chart is at the bottom of the article. It supposedly is the one that Jimmy Johnson pioneered with the Cowboys in late 80's early 90's. There are several different versions of the chart that have slightly different values. I use this one because Gil Brandt was the Cowboys GM at the time that Johnson put together the chart so I expect his is a bit more accurate.
     
  4. dwalsh

    dwalsh 2006 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    there are also the charts: (pretty similar)

    http://www.thehuddlereport.com/nickelpackage/tradechart.shtml

    http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/valuechart.html
     
  5. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Yeah it's an idea that clearly caught on at the time and a bunch of different charts evolved.

    The interesting question would be about the salary cap and how it affects the chart now. Pick 1 is worth 3,000 pts on all the charts. Pick 4 is worth 1,800. But the salary (and cap hit) paid to the person in the 1st position is substantially more than what is paid to the 4th. That should be a negative effect on the value of the 1st pick relative to the 4th, given that the 1st player drafted is not usually that much better than the 4th. The team picking 1st gets choice and the team picking 4th gets the leavings, but the 1st team pays through the nose for the privilege and the cap effects follow then for years.

    I'm not sure the 4th pick shouldn't be a lot closer to the 1st in terms of overall value. Maybe 2,400 to 3,000 instead of 1,800. Note the difficulty that teams have trading down now in recent years. Maybe if the supposed price wasn't so much it would be an option available more often.
     
  6. Mr Electric

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    Why, because he runs a fast 40? He doesn't make plays.

    Leon Hall got worked by good teams/good receivers...he isn't the best either.

    In this draft, it has to be Darelle Revis simply for three reasons: he makes plays (great hands), he is excellent and dangerous at returning punts, and he plays mean (he is great against the run)
     
  7. Rhodes_25

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    chris houston shut down jarrett bowe and meachum
     
  8. GreenGreek

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    Admittedly, I haven't seen Houston play, but something in his scouting reports screams Aaron Glenn to me (which is obviously a good thing).
     
  9. Br4d

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    The funny thing is I see Marcus Coleman when I look at him. He'll probably be a decent CB with some seasoning but not worth a 1st round pick.

    Editing to say: Aaron Glenn has great hands and rarely ever took penalties. Both of those are weak points for Houston.
     
  10. Green Hurricane

    Green Hurricane Footsteps Falco

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    I would much prefer to trade down and add some picks than trade up. If they can deal down and still pick up Spencer or Moss early in Rd 2, then we're in very, very good shape. To me, 6 picks isn't enough to have in a draft, especially one like this where you can find a lot of intriguing talent later on.
     
  11. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    I agree with this except for the Moss part. I'd substitute Anthony Gonzalez there.
     
  12. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    And some teams totally ignore the charts. Especially those with high draft picks that want to trade down. Unless Mike Ditka is still around they know they won't get a teams entire draft to move up to the top five so they make the best deal they can. Look for Detroit to do that this year. Maybe even Oakland. Most GMs would never trade up to the top five anyway unless they already had a top 10 pick. The cost would be enormous and if the player they take turns out to be a bust he probably loses his job over the stupid mistake he made.
     
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  13. hoobash

    hoobash Well-Known Member

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    at some point we will trade down to get more second day picks
     
  14. GreenGreek

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    I think it's the size/speed/instincts/confidence thing that resembles Glenn in my opinion. He's a little small, not a big hitter, but you can leave him on an island, and he'll battle. He'll also bat down a lot of passes. All Glenn-like in my opinion. The penalties don't worry me a lot, simply because logic would dictate that with proper coaching and experience, you can cut those down.
     
  15. jamezmetsy

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    if houston or revis is there well take em with our 25
     
  16. zeike

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    CBs

    Seems Revis is slowly becoming the top CB in the draft due to his return skills - oh, and he's a dman good cover corner. Heard similar good things about Ross - including that he is a solid return guy.

    Strange, but all the things I've heard about Hall is that he does everything well, but nothing great. Not sure that qualifies as a ringing endorsement for a guy who's supposed to be possibly the top corner in the draft.

    Houston got smoked by Rice this year and let me repeat - he had EIGHT pass interefence calls this year - 8. Apparently, b/c he is a great athlete he relies too much on talent believing his speed can save him. Basically he has shitty technique and did not improve much over the past few years. However, he is young and can be taught but he seems like another Justin Miller to me - and I can't stand workout wonders.
     

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