It's quite simple put the pieces together. Read up on last off-season when Cameron Jordan got his contract. Wilk tweeted IMMEDIATELY after the news broke. Mo for the most part is very quiet, so if he says anything, you should listen up. BTW Cameron Jordan makes 11M / season. 12-13 is absolutely feasible, I think he goes for 12. Hell everyone else is throwing figures around with no real proof of anything. But if Mo was distraught after CJ got his contract, I can imagine Mo wants around the same ballpark, otherwise he wouldn't say anything. Your 2nd sentence doesn't really prove anything. Here's a scenario. The Jets negotiate with Mo, but didn't want to resign him until after this season when they discussed how they want this defense to look. I wouldn't agree with this tactic at all, as Mo's value skyrocketed this season as I predicted. Not everything is black and white in the NFL. Probowl means absolutely nothing, the guy is a 2 time 2nd team all-pro, that IMO goes into the negotiations more than anything. I don't believe he wants 15M / 16M like everyone else believes, but all we can do really is sit and watch.
I wasn't sure of the rules, and that's why I said I wasn't, but do you mean that between now and whatever the date is in March, the Jets couldn't trade Mo? He's still under contract now, correct? His contract won't end until the league year ends, correct? So why couldn't they trade him now without tagging him? Of course his asking price is going to go up. I could be wrong, but I believe that Mac knew all along that he would never be able to re-sign Mo. I think one of the first things he did after accepting the Jets job was to call Mo's agents. He found out then and there that Mo was asking for a ridiculous amount of money that the Jets couldn't and wouldn't pay for a 3-4 DE. The distinction between Mo and Suh, aside from character issues and the stupidity of the Dolphins, is that generally it's easier for a team to secure a player they want via trade rather than FA. In FA they may have to outbid a number of other teams. In a trade situation, they're bidding against no one. A team with cap space in the coming year or a subsequent year that is desperate for DL help could easily decide that they want to trade for Mo. He's safer than any draft pick or picks. He may cost more after this past season, but has proven his worth more. It's easy for you to say that the Jets should never have let it come this far. Idzik tried to re-sign Mo and failed. Mac spoke with Mo's agents and maybe Mo. At the time, he was trying to add talent to the team, not take talent away. If you were in his shoes, would one of your very first acts with your new team be to trade away perhaps its best player and have the fanbase and HC unhappy with you? Maybe he realized it was going to take a long time to try to come to an agreement, to hammer out a deal, and that was time he didn't have. He was focused on fixing the scouting dept., on signing FAs to fill the voluminous holes the Jets roster had, and the draft. The team overall is more important than one player, how matter how good he is unless he's the starting QB and a franchise QB at that. In the grand scheme of things 3-4 DEs are just not that important. In addition, for all we know, maybe Mac did try to trade Mo before last season, but had no takers. Maybe he hoped like Jets fans that they could get lucky last season and ride Mo deep in to the playoffs, and that would buy him more time to fix the team's roster. Maybe it WAS a mistake on his part, but even if it was, with all that he had to do to fix this team, I think it's more than understandable and imo forgivable that he didn't. We had a fun, exciting season. He could still trade Mo and get a pick. He could figure out a creative way to sign and keep Mo. I'm willing to give Mac the benefit of the doubt and see how it all plays out.
I'm sorry, but that makes no sense imo. If that's all he was asking for, don't you think he'd have already been re-signed by either Idzik or Mac? IMO it's the only logical reason why he hasn't been re-signed.
Because that's not how the NFL works. Have you ever seen a trade happen in the playoffs? Me either. He needs to be tagged to be traded and it's incredibly hard to trade tagged NFL players because that means the next team needs to pay them their fortune for the next four years. I'd rather keep him than tag and trade him but at this point it looks like our cap is too tight to keep him and you want to maximize value out of your assets.
1. First no one can trade anyone till the new NFL Calendar year in March( trade deadline passed a longtime this year October/ November) . Muhammad Wilkerson is a unrestricted Fa, and the Jets would have to hit him with the franchise tag if they have any thought of trading him. 2. Franchise tagging him with limited cap space is dangerous for the Jets. They could be stuck paying him 16 million if they can't trade him. ( that would eat up a big chunk of the cap space they have, and could leave them to have to make drastic cuts elsewhere . 3. would be true if you were trading for a player already under contract with a team.( just picking up that contract. ( see Brandon Marshall) Muhammad Wilkerson doesn't have a contract next season. ( only guarantee 16 million that one year) No team isn't trading for him ( giving up High picks) unless they can get a long term deal done- Muhammad Wilkerson doesn't Agree to long term contract with that team the trade is dead. Maybe the Jersey kid doesn't want to play with the Browns( hypothetical team) . He signs the jet tender , he lives with 16 million for one year ( stays in Jersey) and goes into freeagent market next year. ( if jets intention was to trade him, that would throw a big monkey bar in that plan). Big difference between just signing a player( teams with big cap space won't mind) but when throw in draft picks that limits the team that would have any interest. 4. What if the Jets are forced to not tag him , and he leaves for a conditional pick in third round in 2017 draft. ( again very risky to tag a player with very limited cap space- you could get burned. What will the fan base say about that. The Jets should have left 16 million from last year free agent spending spree to cover themselves this year ( Wilkerson franchise tag). How are you going to get anything when teams know you can't keep him. Hard to bluff anyone when you don't have the chips. Let's see what happens, and hopefully Mac can pull a fast one on some dumb general manager.( what it's going to take to be able to trade Wilkerson.
#1. Is not what others are saying. I don't know which is correct, and don't care, but in Mac I trust. #2. Yes, tagging him is dangerous. They could be stuck having to pay him that if they tag him. Again, we have to trust that Mac is doing his homework (i.e., he is calling other NFL teams and seeing if they're interested in trading for Mo, is exploring different creative ways to structure a long-term contract for Mo that won't hamstring the team, and exploring other options.) #3. Of course no team is going to trade for Mo unless they can get a long term deal done. What does that have to do with anything? I have said as much in other threads on this topic. The point is that it's easy for fans to sit back and criticize when they don't have all the information, don't have the pressure and their butt isn't on the line. Talk is cheap. Mac had a TON to do in a short time, and got a TON of stuff done to improve the team and franchise. Would the team have been better off this past season if he had re-signed Mo, but not added Gilchrist and Carpenter? Would it have been better off if he hadn't re-vamped the scouting and personnel depts. prior to and immediately following the draft? Would it have been better if Mac had spent many hours working to re-sign Mo, and not had time to prepare for the draft? There are only so many hours in the day. It works both ways. Some teams have the cap space, but don't want to give up draft picks, while others have no problems trading away draft picks, but don't have the cap space to get into a bidding contest. #4. He could leave for a 3rd round compensatory (not conditional) draft pick. The Jets may not think he's worth $16 million per year, losing several other players in the process, and not being able to improve the team. For the size of Mo's contract, perhaps no team would be willing to give up much more than that anyway. Who gives a shit what the Jets' fan base thinks? If Mac checks with the fan base before making moves, he deserves to be fired. The fans think they're a bunch of experts when most don't know jack shit (including me). We don't have have the information and facts we need to take the stances that some of us take on these fan sites. I doubt that bluffs happen all that often. Cap info for each team is readily available. Teams know what cap space other teams have or don't have. They know the approximate value that players have. In a situation like Mo's the teams almost never have the chips. If players want to test the FA market, they can simply play out their contract, refuse to sign an extension or any tender, and unless the team slaps the franchise tag on them, they have all the control. Teams' options are limited. They can choose to try to negotiate, but often they are left with two choices: overpay the player or let him walk. Mac doesn't impress me as the type that's going to be held hostage and forced to overpay a player. The Jets have too much invested in the DL anyway, and not nearly enough in the LB positions or on offense. Mac very likely came to the same conclusion last year and realized that in all likelihood he was just going to have to let Mo walk. If so, based on the information we have, I think it's the right choice. The Jets can't afford to pay him $13 million or more a year. They need to free up cap space to use on offense and the LB positions. They have Williams, Richardson and may opt to keep Snacks. The dropoff from Mo to Williams will be minor as compared to the difference between Demario Davis and a FA LB, between Calvin Pace and a Tamba Hali, or between a Matt Winters and a better RG.
Did Google search on important 2016 NFL calendar days. here it is.s February 8 - Waiver system begins for 2016. February 9 - Beginning at 12 noon, New York time, NFL clubs may begin to sign players whose 2015 CFL contracts have expired. Players under contract to a CFL club for the 2016 season or who have an option for the 2016 season are not eligible to be signed. February 13 - NFL Regional Combines, Houston Texans Methodist Training Facility, Houston, Texas. February 16 - First day for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players. February 20 - NFL Regional Combines, Arizona Cardinals Training Facility, Phoenix, Arizona. February 23-29 - NFL Scouting Combine, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana. February 27 - NFL Regional Combines, Baltimore Ravens Under Armour Performance Center, Owings Mills, Maryland. March 1 - Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players. March 5 - NFL Regional Combines, Minnesota Vikings Training Facility Max Winter Park, Eden Prairie, Minnesota. March 7-9 - Clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2015 Player Contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 9. However, a contract cannot be executed with a new club until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 9. March 9 - Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must exercise options for 2016 on all players who have option clauses in their 2015 contracts. - Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must submit qualifying offers to their Restricted Free Agents with expiring contracts and to whom they desire to retain a Right of First Refusal/Compensation. - Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must submit a Minimum Salary Tender to retain exclusive negotiating rights to their players with expiring 2015 contracts and who have fewer than three accrued seasons of free agency credit. - Top-51 Begins. All clubs must be under the 2016 salary cap prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time. - All 2015 player contracts expire at 4:00 p.m., New York time. - The 2016 league year and free agency period begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time. - The first day of the 2016 league year will end at 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 9. Clubs will receive a personnel notice that will include all transactions submitted to the league office during the period between 4:00 p.m., New York time, and 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 9. - Trading period for 2016 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2015 contracts. March 12 - NFL Regional Combines, New Orleans Saints Training Facility, Metairie, Louisiana. March 20-23 - Annual Meeting, Boca Raton, Florida. April 4 - Clubs that hired a new head coach after the end of the 2015 regular season may begin offseason workout programs. April 18 - Clubs with returning head coaches may begin offseason workout programs. April 22 - Deadline for Restricted Free Agents to sign offer sheets. April 28-30 - 2016 NFL Draft, Chicago, Illinois. April 30 - After the final selection in the Draft has been made, clubs may begin signing Undrafted Free Agents who were eligible for the 2016 Draft. May 6-9 - First weekend after the NFL Draft: clubs may elect to hold their one three-day post-draft rookie minicamp from Friday through Sunday or Saturday through Monday. May 9 - Rookie Football Development Program Begins. May 13-16 - Second weekend after the NFL Draft: clubs may elect to hold their one three-day post-draft rookie minicamp from Friday through Sunday or Saturday through Monday. May 19-22 - NFLPA Rookie Premiere. Invited Rookies (typically, first and/or second-round selections) must be permitted by their respective clubs to attend. Such players are unavailable for offseason workouts, OTA days, and minicamps during this period. May 23-25 - NFL Spring League Meeting, Charlotte, North Carolina. June 1 - Deadline for prior club to send “June 1 Tender” to its unsigned Restricted Free Agents who received a qualifying offer for a Right of First Refusal Only in order for such player to be subject to the CBA’s “June 15 Tender” provision. June 2 - For any player removed from the club’s roster or whose contract is assigned via waivers or trade on or after June 2, any unamortized signing bonus amounts for future years will be included fully in Team Salary at the start of the 2017 League Year. June 15 - Deadline for club to withdraw qualifying offer to Restricted Free Agents and still retain exclusive negotiating rights by substituting “June 15 Tender” of one-year contract at 110 percent of the player’s prior-year Paragraph 5 Salary (with all other terms of his prior-year contract carried forward unchanged). June 19-25 - Rookie Symposium, Aurora, Ohio. July 15 - At 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for any club that designated a Franchise Player to sign such player to a multiyear contract or extension. After this date, the player may sign only a one-year contract with his prior club for the 2016 season, and such contract cannot be extended until after the club’s last regular season game.
I'm fairly confident that you could stick any big body between Mo and Sheldon and they would be one of the best at stopping the run... I would have no problem letting Harrison walk if his asking price is too high, I believe he is a product of what's around him not the other way around.
Snacks is the biggest reason the Jets run defense has been very good the last three seasons. He's not the most talented DL in the front but he's the guy who can't be moved in the middle and that's why the Jets don't get gashed there. Sione Pouha was a decent NT but he could be moved if the other team set themselves to the task and so the Jets run D up the middle could be exploited at times. 2011 21st against the run in attempts, 13th in yards, 27th in TD, 7th in YPC - fair, although the league kept running on the Jets all year as preference 2012 30th against the run in attempts, 26th in yards, 26th in TD, 21st in YPC - poor, the league just kept running on the Jets and up the middle was a big thing 2013 9th against the run in attempts, 3rd in yards, 6th in TD, 1st in YPC - excellent, the league stopped trying to run against the Jets particularly in the redzone. 2014 7th against the run in attempts, 5th in yards, 11th in TD, 6th in YPC - excellent, the league still respected the run defense despite the Jets being behind on the scoreboard most of the year. 2015 4th against the run in attempts, 2nd in yards, 1st in TD, 3rd in YPC - the best yet with the addition of Leonard Williams to an already dominant front against the run. If Snacks goes the run numbers will decline more than if any other member of the front goes. Losing him would be like losing Randy Thomas from the offensive line in 2003. We'd still have a good line but the middle would not be a no-go zone any more. The Jets should make Snacks an offer than makes him at least consider not hitting free agency. He can't be franchised, even if Mo is locked up before that because the DT number is what gets used and you can't pay a NT like a 4-3 3T. However the Jets should be able to find a number that makes both sides happy, maybe tying some heavy incentives in that Snacks can reach if he continues to develop into the best NT in football.
Could it be that the Mac didn't want to sign him until after they saw how he would perform in Bowles scheme? He wanted to negotiate, but not commit. Idzik, I don't think did anything in terms of negotiations. I expect him to get tagged then resigned. Could be the $$$ of guaranteed dollars, # of years.
I think it is important that the Jets defense does take away one aspect of the opposition's offense. And shuts it down in third and short. they end a lot of drives that way. I also think a full time Sheldon with his halo firmly in place could probably match Mo's sack production--if he beats a suspension. And I expect more from LWill next year.
I do not see any way that Mo isn't tagged, regardless of the cap hit. Whether or not he is resigned or traded will have to be seen, but we are not letting him go for a compensation pick at this point, especially with a possible Sheldon suspension looming.
The Jets should definitely make him an offer, but it shouldn't exceed 5M dollars / season under any circumstance. He's not a 3 down lineman. Snacks, can't push the pocket back and generate pressure. He plays a little bit above 50% of the total snaps. Jets have had a solid run defense for a long time now. From Jenkins, Pouha and Snacks. The Jets are apparently high on Deon Simon, so they should give him a shot. You can't resign everyone. Snacks, I doubt will ever become one of the best NTs in the league, so maybe a incentive laden contract in terms of pass-rush productivity would help us. Still the Jets should not go over 5M a season for this guy. Snacks can be replaced, but Mo cannot. Losing Mo would be similar to Jonathan Vilma leaving the Jets or rich version of James Farrior leaving the Jets after a great 2001 season. We've had 1 good linebacker since then and that's David Harris.
I'm curious...in which year was Snacks drafted? Since he was a FA this past season and signed a one-year deal to remain with the Jets, it must have been 2010 or 2011. What you say about the run numbers could very well be true. The thing is, the NFL isn't a running league any more. Unless that changes following this year's draft, there isn't a single elite RB in the AFC. The Jets seem to be very high on Deon Simon. I remember when they drafted him, they talked about how strong and stout he was. Even with a decline, the DL could still be more than good enough vs the run (could still be a top 10 unit. I'm not saying that I necessarily want Snacks to go, but imo it's more important that the Jets address other holes like OLB, ILB, TE and LG. One doesn't want to create another hole when attempting to fix a hole, but we don't know for certain that would happen. Snacks isn't the best NT. Dontari Poe is, and I don't see Snacks bypassing him, unless Poe suffers a serious injury. The problem with Snacks is that he gives us little vs the pass. He had his opportunities this year. Prior to the season, he talked about doing more vs the pass in the season and was excited about it, then he did little. He's a 2-down player. He's already turned down $5 million per year, I believe. More than likely, he wants $6-$7 million per year or more. He's not worth that. If he's willing to sign for a fair amount, great. I'd rather keep him. If not, I say good bye and don't look back. When an elite pass rusher asks for stupid money, you grit your teeth and pay it if you can. When an elite run stuffer asks for stupid money, you wish him well, thank him for his contributions, and show him the door.
In general, I agree with your post, since I agree regarding Snacks. Where we part ways is equating Mo with Jonathan Vilma and saying that Vilma leaving was a huge loss for the Jets. He wasn't. He wasn't a fit for the 3-4 D, and many of his tackles were 10 yards downfield. He rarely made a hit at or behind the LOS, and I recall precious few big plays he made. Mo is more valuable than Vilma could dream of being, but Mo isn't irreplaceable. We already have his more than capable replacement on the DL in Williams. Williams could prove to be better than Mo. DEs in a 3-4 alignment are not irreplaceable unless they're JJ Watt. They aren't nearly as rare as they once were with so many college teams now running 3-4 alignments. They're basically run stoppers and don't have to be that athletic. The LBs are the playmakers in a 3-4 alignment. It's MUCH more important that we have elite LBs than it is to have an elite DE, or even an elite DL.
Yes, I stand corrected. Of course, I'd rather keep him if he would sign for $8-$10 million per year, or maybe even $11 million. Any more than that, and he's just too expensive. He becomes a luxury. We have Williams waiting in the wings, and Williams could prove to be better than Mo. The crucial thing is that we need the cap space to keep other Jets FAs, and to try to address some of our holes.
