There's no way we'd even approach getting in return what Sheldon is worth. Even if he hadn't had the off season issues, I don't think he would have brought back in return what Mo will bring. The only reason you trade players like that is because you can't afford to pay them, have depth at the position, and know that if you do trade them, you'll be able to get a player and/or picks that will enable you to improve the team in another area. Mo fits that criteria.
Now what happens the Jets tag Muhammad Wilkerson , and no ones willing to give the Jets what they want for him.( ( that's 16 million dollars counting against their Cap + Revis contract). There is no doubt almost every team would have interest in M Wikerson if he made it to the free agent market. There is a big difference having to give M Wilkerson 13-16 per year, and a first round draft pick. Especially when there are some quality free agents Malik Jackson( 3-4 teams) and Oliveri Vernon ( 4-3 defenses)that aren't going to cost as much. Not to mention pretty good defense line crop in the draft. Big Mac is going to have a tough decision to make with Muhammad Wilkerson, as just because one team was willing to over pay for D Revis, means it will happen again. (Very lucky Tampa Bay didn't realize they were competing against themselves.) This can easily blow up in the Jets faces. btw Also there is no guarantee that M Wilkerson if traded, will be willing to sign a long term deal with that team.( wants to have some control where his family eventually lives- severely limit if the Jets can pull off a trade, or compensation they are going to get back) .
I'm pretty certain that $13-$16 million per year is what Mo wants; otherwise, he'd already have signed an extension. Idzik tried and so has Mac. Whether we tag him or not will have little or no bearing on what Mo wants $ wise. I'm sure that Mac would only tag Mo as a last resort. If Mac can't re-sign him and doesn't tag him, Mo can just walk, and all we get is a compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd round. If Mac can't come to an agreement with Mo, I'm not sure if he can trade him without tagging him first. I guess that would depend upon when Mo's contract actually expires. Perhaps prior to the expiration, Mac could just trade him contingent upon the new team being able to sign him to a long-term contract, and if he couldn't, then prior to the expiration, he'd have to apply the tag so the Jets retain his rights. There's no disputing it will be a tough decision, and regardless of which way it goes, it could blow up in Mac's face. The important thing to remember, however, is that Mac didn't create this situation, Tanny, Rex and Idzik did, but Mac is the one who is having to try to clean it up. If Mac trades him, Williams could get injured or Richardson could get suspended again. If he doesn't trade him and has to pay him $15-$16 million per year, he could wind up not being able to re-sign some of our other FAs that they want to retain and weaken the team further. In addition, Mo could be the one in a million exception who doesn't come back the same player after the broken leg or who could go down with a season-ending injury early next season, and then the Jets would be paying all that money to a player on IR. The bottom line is this. What have we won with Mo, Snacks and Richardson on the DL prior to this season? What did we win this season with those 3 plus Williams? In a 3-4 D alignment, the DL is just not supposed to be that important or expensive. The playmakers are supposed to be the LBers and DBs. The 3 DL are supposed to stuff the rushing attack, and if they can generate some push/pressure on opposing QBs, it's gravy. The Jets have their D built backwards. They have too much cap space tied up on the DL, and it's only going to get worse, not better, as Richardson's then Williams' rookie contracts expire. If the Jets re-sign Mo for a $15 million cap hit next season, they'd have $32 million (over 1/3) of their cap tied up in 2 players on D, neither of whom are the top players in the NFL at their position, and neither of whom is an elite play making or pass rushing OLB. I'm sorry, but that's just nuts. I love Mo. He's a great player, but we just can't afford him. Again, Mac didn't create this situation. Tanny, Rex and Idzik did. If this team is going to have a legitimate chance to win a Lombardi Trophy, they have to get some speed and elite talent at the OLB and ILB positions as well as probably in the secondary on D, and upgrade their OL, and get a franchise caliber starting RB. If they have 1/3 to 1/2 of their cap tied up in their DL and Revis, that's not going to get it done. Sometimes GMs have to make moves that they don't like and they know that the fans won't like, but it's a business reality.
Actually let me elaborate on that cause you have a point. Mo is a great player, but I don't think he gets a HIGH first and a 3rd. Maybe from a team from the mid teens and on, but I don't see us getting a top 10 pick. Mo needs to come back, he's our best player. I still believe we can sign him for 10 11M a season
Right, however the problem is that what teams want out of a top 10 pick is a cheap 5 year superstar not one of the most expensive guys in the business. If it's a QB you bite the bullet and trade the pick for him. Anybody else is not worth the trade with a huge cap # attached. The trade will just mess with your cap in a big way and probably from year 2 on.
While getting a player for five years cheaply is certainly desirable, I don't think that many teams who have a big need on the DL would shy away from someone like MO. He's a Pro Bowler. He's gotten better every year. He's only 26 and is a player on the rise. He has great character. While cheap, draft picks are risky. They bust fairly often, they may take 2-3 years to develop, and they get injured. Unless you've spoken with every GM in the NFL, That's your opinion, not fact, that anybody else is not worth the trade with a huge cap # attached. Whether it would mess that team's cap up depends upon what shape their cap is. I haven't checked, but there may be some teams that think they're only 1-2 top players (who are leaders) away from turning things around and becoming very competitive, and who have $20+ million in cap space, or who have a roster and cap such that they can draft a more creative contract salary structure than Mac is with the Jets.
Again not as easy to get a team willing to pay a player 13-16 million per year, and give up draft picks.( life line of any organization) . There is no guarantee that they are going to be able to get a first rounder for him.( what happens if they have to shell out 16 million , and can't trade him.( that's going to mean a lot of holes aren't going to be filled, and new holes are going to be created). If the Jets could get M Wilkerson for 10-11 million he would have been re-signed by now. That is wishful thinking.
Cool lets be 4-12 every year with no cornerbacks. The real problem was drafting too many DEs. We've ignored other positions for too long. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
And those posts were wrong. Do you really think if Mo was willing to sign for a reasonable amount that Idzik wouldn't have re-signed him before he left, or that wouldn't have been Mac's first order of business? The Jets also had a wretched secondary the year before. If he hadn't spent the money on the secondary, the Jets could have easily been 4-12 again, if not worse, and then people would be screaming for Bowles and Mac's heads (which they did anyway and tried to fabricate all manner of proof and "reasons" why). A starting defense is comprised of 11 players. It doesn't matter how good the DL is if the secondary sucks. Perhaps if the NFL was still a running league, it would be ok, but it isn't. DEs aren't even the most important position in a 3-4 D alignment/ Do you even understand the fact that in a 3-4 alignment the LBs are supposed to be the playmakers? Do you realize that even with Mo how sorry the Jets' record has been the last 3 years? DEs aren't key players in a 3-4 alignment. I love Mo, but sorry, DEs are just not that important in the Jets' defense. If they wind up trading Mo, they're not trading Mo just to be trading a DE or trading someone. They would be trading him primarily because he would be making too much money based on the importance of his position and with the Jets' current cap situation, they can't afford to pay him that much. A secondary reason is that he is their most marketable player and they still have a lot of holes. Mac is charged with building a football team, a complete roster that can be as good as it can be, and hopefully, getting to and winning a SB, not keeping fan favorite players or trying to build the best DL in the NFL.
Yes, let's trade one of our best franchise players who has damaged value because he is currently injured simply because the financial situation is too difficult to figure out right now. Let's send him to the Bucs for a 1st rounder guys....cus that worked really well the first time
Trade player, get high first round pick, resign player two years later. Sounds like a winning formula.
Couple of points. First thing that happens in March is teams have to decide if they are going use the franchise tag on any of their players. If the Jets don't tag him , than he is unrestricted Fa , and any team can sign him without compensation.( jets can't trade him without placing the franchise tag). Once M Wilkerson signs that franchise tag- the Jets can trade him still, but they can't drop the franchise tag ,and are on the books for 16 million dollars( obviously unless they can come to long term contract they can reduce that number) Why I keep harping that it isn't going to be easy to trade him. Muhammad Wilkerson wanted 13 -16 per year .( obviously The Jets weren't willing to pay him that much). That was before he had 12 sacks , and had his pro bowl season. Do you think his price tag is going up or down.( after he saw how much Suh got last year) Now look how disastrous it was for the Dolphins to pay N Suh all that money. That was just signing him , and not having to give up draft picks in the process. Now some teams are going to pay Wilkerson Suh Money, and give up high draft picks in the process.( can never say never, but the fact is the Jets might be forced to keep him.( 16 million + what Revis is making and that opens up more holes on this team) The Jets should never have let it come this far. They should have signed him long term last year, or traded him. ( had so much money in Fa, that they don't have this year- that's on Macc. Wilkerson price tag just went up- and don't see any team willing to give the Jets what they want to make that trade. Muhammad Wilkerson or D Harrison is gone . ( can't afford both). .
The problem is every team knows jets don't have the money this year in Fa to keep Wilkerson (16 million dollars if he isn't traded) . If the Jets had last year cap space, they could have easily kept him for a year.( be trading from a position of strength). Now teams know the Jets are going to have to sacrifice other areas to get the money to keep their best defensive player.( jets are trading from position of weakness- more due to fact they have cap limits this year(. It wouldn't surprise me if the Jets don't tag Wilkerson( going to uproar from the base- who think they are easily going to be able to trade him). They don't understand that there might not be any team willing to trade for him, and they need that 16 million to address their holes.
Does anyone think we can trade Revis and his guaranteed money? That alone would clear a ton of cap space this year.
So here are the questions I have: 1. What are the Jets options if they apply the exclusive tag to Mo? Does that make it easier to trade him? What if he doesn't sign the tender, can he still be traded at that point? Does negotiating in a vacuum make sense given the status of negotiations over the last two seasons? 2. The non-exclusive tag allows Mo to negotiate with every other team in the NFL to establish his value. Does that make it easier or harder to sign Mo to a long-term contract if that's what the Jets are looking to do? Can the Jets still realistically trade Mo under the non-exclusive tag if he refuses to sign the tender? Can he negotiate with other teams before he signs the tender? This is definitely going to be nail-biting exercise for everybody involved. Hopefully it works out for us.
Which is fine from a money perspective. Now let's say he violates within those 2 years, then we not only cannot feel comfortable extending him we also will have much trouble trading him or getting value. Right now he has some red flags, but his cap number is low. If they are going to trade him, this is the offseason to do it.
11M - 12M is more like it, but we have no idea what the asking price is. No one does. I don't think Wilkerson is asking for an absurd amount of money
The Jets should have signed him to a long term deal last year when they had the cash( take care of your young best players). They didn't do that, and now they are in a tough position. Sure you can always find the 16 million to pay Muhammad Wilkerson, but what major holes are you creating .( limited cap space this year). After what happened with N Suh teams are going to be very leery of trading for M Wilkerson. ( huge salary + draft picks). The Jets might be forced to let M Wilkerson go without tagging him.( can't afford to pay him if they can't find a trading partner).
Where you come up 11-12 million per year. ( that's fantasy talk). To hit Muhammad Wilkerson with the franchise tag( that's 16 million dollars). If the Jets could have gotten him for 11-12 million per year, he would have an long term contract already. His asking price only went up after his 12 sacks , and his first probowl.
