Wow. Reality? That's quite a concept. You think I'm flawed there? Let me get this right. Comparing Rich to Mo is reality. But comparing Cat to Rich is flawed and unrealistic. Okay. You're right about one thing: Whatever...
If he's looking for $16M a season there's no way to lower the hit for more than a season or two at most and the price is huge hits after that. Suh's hit for the Fins next year is $28.6M.
I see the problem now. We were discussing Snacks, and all of a sudden you started talking about Cat, and I didn't notice. I was still talking about Snacks. That's what I was referring to when I said there's nothing remotely to suggest that he would develop into a pass rusher. I wasn't saying that you can't compare Cat to Richardson. Of course you can compare their first years and the relative skills, pros and cons of each. So we were talking apples and oranges. So we were both right.
If he's absolutely set on getting $16 million per year, agreed. If he's willing to accept less, but more guaranteed money, a longer deal, or easily-reached incentives, he might, but I doubt it. That's why I think we probably wind up losing him unless 101 is right and he really isn't asking for that much.
I think Mo is a good player and a top 10 DT in the nfl no doubt. Suh money is laughable... Watt/McCoy money also laughable for him. IMO he is worth $70M over 5 with 40 guaranteed. Now I believe he will get more but that's his worth imo. If we look to trade him we have very little leverage in negotiations. I think the best we could get is a 2nd + 3rd. I think we have to sign Mo and let Harrison walk for a compensation pick. See if the Big Cat can play nose in our 3-4 base and let Sheldon, Mo and the Cat run wild.
Leonard would need to put on more weight, if the Jets want him to be a 3-4 NT ... Intriguing option as Leonard Williams is a far better pass rusher than Snacks. The Jets could also run more 4-3 base defense as well. Sticking 2 or the 3 lineman in as DTs. One of them being a right end and Maudlin on the left end.
Not that I'm underrating him I think he is great on 1st and second down but this man will command a 3 down lineman type of contract which is not worth it I dont want to have 7-8 million sitting on the sideline on 3rd and *** w/e the case might be I want my best players on the field on the my crucial downs. I just don't see him out there is my case Sign Mo Let Snacks walk unless his contract is reasonable (I am not a cap expert I would not know the figure for either quite frankly)
I was going through some cap numbers and I really do not see how we keep Mo. As it is we have $12 mil in cap space. I believe that these are what I would call the easy cuts: Breno Giacomini – Savings $4,375,000 Jeff Cumberland – Savings $1,900,000 Jeremy Kerley – Savings $1,300,000 (Trade bait?) Geno Smith – Savings $1,089,491 (Trade bait?) Total (easy savings) $8,654,491 As we end up eating pro-rated bonuses for Kerly and Smith it may be possible to get something for them in a trade but the savings would be the same if we traded or cut them. That leaves about $20 mil in cap room to resign our starting QB, Snacks, Erin Henderson, our rookie class, and maybe Powell. The difficult cuts would save us plenty of cap room at the expense of leaving two gaping holes in our starting lineup: D'Brickshaw Fergeson $9,093,000 Antonio Cromartie $8,000,000 Total (difficult savings) $17,093,000 We really aren't making a choice between Mo and Snacks. The real choice is between Mo and Brick (+ either Cro or $8 mil to spend on other free agents). Any other roster cuts would cost us a starter for $1-2 mil of cap savings.
Cro is way too expensive given our cap situation. He almost has to be a cut. If he was playing at a high level he'd be a tough cut but he's an average CB at best at this point in his career and he just can't tackle for his life. The Jets options to replace him are Dee Milliner, Marcus Williams, Darrin Walls, Dexter McDougle and Buster Skrine. Realistically the latter two are nickel backs so it comes down to one of the 3 guys at the front. The Jets have Revis on one side, they need to make one of the other guys work opposite him. If they just don't think that can be done then they need to go find a cheaper guy to be their #2 CB. $8M for your #2 CB is bad if the guy is a very good player. Cro is late-prime and he's not a very good player any more. It doesn't help that Skrine has a $7.75M cap number as the nickel either. Cro is toast. There's no way the Jets can keep him at anything like the number he has and at his age and declining skill level they really should move on anyway.
The money we tied up with Skrine, Gilchrist, and Revis is getting painful. If you are thinking that Cro is a luxury we can not afford you need to start thinking about what we are paying Brick. A hole at #2 corner is about as easy to live with as a hole at left tackle.
Many feel Cro was a hole while actually playing #2 corner. So slotting Marcus Williams (6 interceptions in 2015 to Cromartie's 0) seems like an obvious choice. The position would get stronger plus save money.
Between man coverage, our lack of a pass rush, and our inability to stop good teams from converting on third downs we as out CBs to do much more than other teams do. Also, Cro plays when he is hurt so we are not always looking at him on his best day. Overall he had a pretty good season and his contract is fairly reasonable. Unfortunately we can not afford it unless we do things now that will put dead / guaranteed money into the future.
If you turn the backup into a starter you do not have a backup. We would save money but saying that we get better is a joke.
Yeah, I was just saying what many others are saying. I like Cro and feel he played really well down the stretch.
Not necessarily. Cro could bounce back and have a better year, but he also could have another bad year. Marcus Williams could be just as good if not better than Cro, and almost certainly would give us more interceptions than Cro. It's not likely, but also possible that Milliner could stay healthy and finally show the reason why he was a 1st round pick. McDougal could also step his play up and start making a greater contribution.
Whether Millner or McDougle play well is not the point (not very likely either). Taking Cromartie out of the equation not only brings the risk of worse play from the starting position but decimates the level of depth we have at the CB position.
