I agree that many of those 23 FAs aren't worth a damn. The point is that those who aren't re-signed will have to be replaced. The Jets only have 6 draft picks. The rest will have to be FAs or UDFAs. As I see it, we have three major points of disagreement: 1. What Mo is seeking; 2. What Brick may be willing to do with his contract; and 3. How much cap space with which the Jets will have to work. You could very well be right and I be wrong. In fact, I hope that you ARE right and that I'm wrong, because I'd love to be able to keep him and would hate to see him go. I'd love for the Jets to be able to re-sign Mo, Fitz, Powell and whoever else they wanted to keep, be able to bring in 2-3 FAs to help solidfy/upgrade positions like RB, RG, TE, and ILB, and have emergency money for this season. Even if you are right about the $30 million cap space, I don't see how it would work however, even if you are also right about Mo's and Fitz's contract numbers. Let's take your figures of $12 million per year for Mo, $7 million for Fitz, and $2 million for Powell (conservative, could be a good bit more), thats's $21 of your $30 million. It usually takes $8-$9 million to sign draft picks. That puts us at the $30 mark with none of the 24 FAs re-signed, no outside FAs signed, and no money for camp cuts or for emergencies during the 2016 season. I know there are some ways that GMs can gain cap space, but all of them aren't good and can bite the team down the road. That's my concern.
They may not be able to, but so what? It's not a necessity, but rather a luxury. The NFL is not a run first league any more. There are no great RBs in the AFC that the Jets have to face every year. They need an NT that can get some pressure on opposing QBs.
I agree that he was the OL in the draft and up until the time he was arrested, I was hoping the Jets could somehow get him if they couldn't get Mariota. I wasn't for wasting a draft pick however, after he made it clear that after the 2nd round he would not sign with any team that drafted him.
I'm with Br4d on this. You guys are under rating Snacks. He manhandles people across the line of scrimmage, and as TB said, 'sometimes two guys can't block him'. We need a speed rusher on the outside for sacks. If you want a nose tackle who sacks the QB you have to go get that guy too. Get the speed guy on the outside and trade Richardson
Deon Simon who was so good that he played zero snaps and spent all of last year on the practice squad? Let's not put the kid in the Hall of Fame just yet.
Trading Richardson doesn't free cap space. The problem isn't the player in Harrison it's the dollar figures he may command (which will most likely be more than $6.5 million/year). Given you have the option, you tell me. Do you want the player that can both rush the passer and stop the run in Wilkerson or the player who only stops the run? The nose tackle is more replaceable, and maybe we won't get a player of Harrison's calibre but the dropout shouldn't be too astronomical if he's a 330+ lbs. hog. That's basically the problem the Jets are in. It doesn't look like they can keep both (thank you Revis/Maccagnan). I think 31/32 GM pays the player that can do both. We're going to find out if Maccagnan is one of the 31 or the lone ranger OR he works some crazy cap magic and both players take less.
Yeah, I mentioned it in a previous post that it was a predicament. Also, I'm not up on the financials. Can you Franchise one guy, sign the other, and then trade Richardson? I'm guessing that if there's a way around it SR would be the guy on the outs if it was up to them. Idk tho Keep the other three, Mo, Snacks, Cat, and Bookend Mauldin with a Draft pick @OLB
I think the Jets would have the same problems trying to trade Richardson right now that the Browns had when they put Josh Gordon on the market when he had two strikes. Nobody is going to make anything like a reasonable offer for Richardson. We're talking close to Santonio Holmes discount level, although the Jets might find somebody willing to risk a 3rd rounder because of Richardson's immense talent. He's going to have to play for a solid season with nothing coming up and play very well at that to have any real trade value at this point. Gordon was going gangbusters in 2013 in his breakout season when the rumors began that he was available in deadline deals and the Browns couldn't find anybody willing to give more than a 2nd round pick for him. Then the league suspended him for the season in August 2014, reduced to 10 games on appeal. Then the league suspended him for all of 2015 in February 2015 for a separate offense, which was very minor but covered under the policy. He's applied for reinstatement now and I'm guessing he gets it with the proviso that he is banned for life if he screws up again. It's possible he'll screw it up immediately by not being aware of the provisions of the agreement, as he was apparently not aware last time. He had a glass of champagne on a charter flight the Browns took after week 15. Many players had a drink on the plane as well. He got tested in the airport by the NFL's drug team and was informed that a suspension was likely on the way. For a glass (maybe two) of champagne. Sheldon Richardson could be totally on the up and up and doing his best to keep things together and a cousin could smoke a joint in the next room and Richardson could test positive from that and strike three. He's going to have to insulate himself in ways now that many people cannot handle. He's going to have to cut long-time friends and some family from his life until he is free of the drug program. He may develop the instincts not to be a knucklehead under the type of constraints he's going to be under but he can't expect his buds not to be knuckleheads around him. I really hope he has a topflight agent/lawyer/counselor team going for him. I love watching him play and it's going to take some heavy support to keep him in the NFL on the field for the Jets.
I don't think anyone is underrating Snack's play. He is one of top run-stuffing 2-down DL in the NFL. That's the blessing and the curse. He's so good that he wants top dollar, but is only a 2-down DL, and a one-dimensional 2-down DL isn't worth what he wants imo. Perhaps if the NFL was a run-first league, the Pats, Bills and/or Dolphins had great RBs, the Jets didn't have a DE who wants $12 million a year or more, and the Jets didn't have cap issues, it would be worth it, but in the current situation, he just isn't worth it imo. They can't pay everyone. IMO it's more a matter of how much he wants rather than his limitations as a pass rusher. Even though I don't know how the Jets could afford to keep Mo, I'd rather keep him and pay him $14-15 million per season than keep Snacks and pay him $7 million. Trading Richardson eliminates a potential headache this season if he is suspended, and would help the cap down the line, but how would it help the team this season and next? They'd save only $1.76 million against the cap this season, whereas if they trade Mo, they immediately get $12+ million cap relief for the upcoming season, and that money could be used to help shore up weak areas of the team. While the DL's play would suffer a drop off, if the Jets could sign Trevathan or another ILB who could cover over the middle, the overall D could be better. What if the Jets trade Richardson, he's learned his lesson, buckles down and next season proves that he's better than Mo?
Also, it comes down to more than just their on field talents imo. It's also a matter of who, what man, do you want to invest in. Snacks has proven to be an indomitable kind of guy. He's got character, big time. He's a force up the middle too The fact that Rich is Rich, Mac loses leverage in a trade. It would suck if he let's Snacks go or trades Mo and then Rich fucks up. Where does Mac decide to take the hit? It's not like Rich is a high sack guy either. While Snacks is great at what he does, and Mo gives you double digit sacks Keep the character guys, that are great at what they do, for better or worse
I get the character angle and agree with it to an extent. Mac wouldn't get value for Richardson in a trade. Mo offers the best value, but between his broken leg and high dollar contract that he's seeking, some posters may be right that the Jets won't get value for him, either. Yes, it would suck if he lets Snacks go or trade Mo and Rich fucks up, but it would also suck if he keeps Mo for $14+ million, winds up losing some of their own FAs they want to keep, are unable to sign any outside FAs to upgrade the team, and then next season Richardson proves with his new team that he's even better than Mo. You claim that Richardson is not a high sack guy. I say that you're wrong. In his first 3 seasons, Mo had 3, 5 and 10.5 sacks (18.5) whereas Richardson had 3.5, 8, and 5 (16.5), but the latter in only 11 games. It's not unreasonable to think that Richardson might have gotten 2-3 sacks in those those 5 games. If so, he'd have had more sacks in this first 3 seasons than Mo. Mo had 114 tackles in his first 3 seasons (35, 36, and 43) whereas Richardson had 104 (42, 42 and 20). Split the difference between 1-2 tackles per game over those 5 games he missed, and Richardson had 7-8 more tackles or 112. Factor in that Richardson played snaps at OLB this season, and he may have surpassed Mo's tackles and sacks. Richardson won rookie of the year, Mo didn't. So it isn't beyond the pale to say that if Richardson can get and keep his act together, he could prove to be a better player than Mo. Please understand, I'm not saying that Richardson is better than Mo, or will be able to get or keep his act together. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, and trying to show that there several sides to this issue, and it's complex. Make the right choice and Mac will look brilliant. Make the wrong choice and he looks stupid. In terms of character today, Mo and Snacks look like better risks than Richardson, and probably are, but there are no guarantees. Richardson could be appreciative that the Jets stood by him, and with his drive to be the best, could reward them with no more problems and stellar play.
You could also say that Big Cat is ascending and will get more sacks. You have to consider him also. One last thing: I think everyone would agree that the need for a speed rusher OLB is paramount, across from Mauldin. If they ever got that I would like the front of Mo, Snacks, Cat as the basic 3-4 OL. Still gotta stop the run or you're dead. Gotta keep the Character, and leadership up there imo. And increase the outside speed.
One could say that, but imo there's absolutely nothing factual to suggest that, only mere supposition.
Fair enough. I just don't want to see us overload $20 million+ into two defensive tackles. I agree with much of what you said. I just think it comes down to one or the other in this case. A dream world allows us to fanagle a first rounder away from someone for Richardson. Since that's unlikely to happen we're best off not worrying about resigning him at all and just let him play out his contract and give him a pat on the back for playing for us when he's a free agent.
As is that Rich will make the leap to Mo's level. Same thing if you want to go there, a mere supposition. That is all. That comes with your 1st round #6 pick. He had three sacks. But had 63 tackles. Even if you prorated Rich, Cat's numbers are significantly better. That's pretty good for the kid You draft a guy at that spot and then evaluate his season and that's a big part of the equation. His character too.
First Sheldon Richardson is a free agent after this year( unless jets take fifth year option- risky if he screws up again. So one or two years Jets have him ). Sheldon Richardson is looking to get paid, And there is good chance he holds out if he doesn't get extension after next season. Second the Jets have limited space this year it's hard to allocate 16 million more ( franchise tag) in one area( defense line) and sacrifice other areas.( what's more important having the best defense line, or building the best team). Third you make like it's easy to draft that edge rusher in the draft- See Vernon Gholston . There is no guarantee the Jets are going to be able to get that pass rusher where they are drafting. Four- Ferguson- No NFL player takes a pay cut especially when a team doesn't have an answer for him on the roster.( can restructure that contract - pay him less on the books this year, but you push more guarantee money in future years. Do you want to do that when player slipping. Cut Ferguson save 9 million , but still take 5 million cut. Who are you going to get- Russell Okung. Mister Brittle who you know isn't playing sixteen games versus Mister reliable.(DBrick) . Now When Okung goes down who is the Jets Lt. Jets unfortunately are in a tough bind with D Brick. Five Danny Trevathan isn't getting out of Denver, or not ending up with his previous Dc. Six- If it was so important to keep Muhammad Wilkerson you sign him to his extension last year when you had the space to do it, not now when you have limited cap space. All defense want to make a team one dimensional - take one part of the game away( the run) and it's much easier to pin your ears back and rush the Qb- See Patriots inability to run the football , and Brady taking a beating all day.
In Ferguson's case players do take a pay cut when their play starts to decline. It's a game of chicken. The Jets can challenge Brick in getting $9 million in free agency and his agent and he knows he could likely be out of the league if he demands that much. Instead he restructures his deal to still make more than he's worth and still help the team. Besides. He's a 71 in the newest update of Madden. Enough is enough. Fitz is getting sacked like crazy in franchise mode.
If Sheldon screws up again, then he made the Jets decision a whole lot easier. After his off-season issues, if he were to holdout, how would that look with the team? Surely, you thought about the repercussions prior to typing this right? This post did you no favors what-so-ever. 30M in cap space - that is enough to keep the players that helped us get to 10 wins last year. It also leaves some extra cash for FAs. You also appear to think the Jets are spending big cash on other FAs this summer, this would not be the case. The idea of the franchise tag is to resign the player to a longer term deal, it gives buys you more time. That figure won't stay at 16M. Yeah, so the Jets should TOTALLY stop drafting edge rushers period. Because they made a mistake in drafting Gholston. Glad you aren't the GM. Jets have no shot at Von Miller, you are better off putting that pipe dream away. What other FA pass rushers are available? Tamba Hali is 34 years of age. You gonna stupidly throw 10M per season at him instead of getting a Noah Spence? http://overthecap.com/a-guide-to-the-nfl-salary-cap/ Didn't Peyton take a pay cut last season? This is absolutely false. Even so read how the cap works. Convert base salary to bonuses are a way of helping out the cap figure. That's the GM's job to get creative. Something WILL happen to Brick's contract this off-season. This is pure speculation on your part. Look at the players they ahve to resign. Von Miller might get 100M this off-season, you got the young QB. They also have the other linebacker Brandon Marshall [decent cover LB] so you can grab one of the 2 linebackers from DEN. Blame Woody Johnson for the Revis comment. Regardless, of all of this, it seems you are more intrigued with arguing, then seeing the plain facts.
If Macc cant get a 1st and a 3rd for Mo or Sheldon, just get up and leave. Don't ask the to reconsider or work with us. Just ask them if they validate. Tag Mo and then sign the other.... then pick up.the compensation pick in 2017. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk
