Yes, and yet still some how he failed to do anything with it in Arizona until Todd Haley was calling plays for him, hence I think Haley should get credit for what he did in his time as an OC. Yes I think both offense were good, althought the '08 version was a lot of better, 4th vs to 12th in '07. Also in '07, Leinart was the starter until getting a season ending injury and Haley wasn't calling the plays until late in the season. Judging by his '08 numbers, it would only be reasonable that if Haley had Warner starting and was himself calling the plays from week 1, the numbers would've been better.
I wouldn't mind the move. Schotty sucks and it's laughable that so many people are jumping to his defense now. Where were you when he was calling 5 yard curl routes on 3 and 8,costing us games. I hate bandwagon riders. Schotty sucks!
oh god I knew this thread was coming after he got fired. Haley has an infamous temper throughout circles. I'm pretty sure he even tried to complain about Boldin and Fitzgerald when he was at ARI. The guy is a nutcase, I dont care about his credentials which I think are overrated anyways. No thanks. This is the type of problem when you have someone like Schotty. Finding a replacement to shut people up is easy. Finding one thats undeniably better is a dice roll.
I will agree that Haley is a nut case. I don't like the way he publicly chews out his player so routinely. It's one thing to hold a player accountable,but when you're trying to humiliate your guys to prove you're a bad ass, it's uncalled for. He reminds me Mike Singletary with that shit.
Warner broke his finger in the fourth game of the 02 season. He did not come back until later in the season, when he played poorly, he said later because his finger was not yet healed. In 03 he started the first game and fumbled six times in the game, and was benched. He said later that he had a broken hand that had not healed. (I don't know when he broke it...) Bulger played well the rest of that year, and Warner did not see the field again for the Rams. With the Giants in 04, he started the season as Qb and the Giants won 5 of 7, but lost the next two. Eli Manning was a rookie that year, and was givent he starting job. You might recall the Giants finished the season 1-6 with Manning at Qb. Warner then went the Rams in 05. He injured his groin early in the season, was replaced by McCown, but then replaced McCown and played fairly well that year before injuring his MCL in game 15. Warner signed a three year extension in the off season. In game one of 2006, he was named Offensive Player of the Week. However he had three poor games after that, and was replaced with Matt Leinart, the Cards' first round pick that year. Leinart went down in the next to last game of the season, and Warner came in and played nicely, even getting 365 yards in the last game of the season. At the beginning of the 07 season, Leinart again was the starter. And Haley did not call the plays until late in the season. So all this talk about how great Haley was for Leinart, focusing on 07, is not reflecting that it was quite a bit more complicated than that. But Warner did supplant Leinart as the starter. Warner's big comeback year was 08. So, it should be obvious that injuries and losing out to high profile first round pick rookies was what explains Warner's spotty record between 01 and 08. Not so much the absence of anyone like Martz or Haley.
I would like to think that... it's more of Mike Martz's influence than Todd Haley doing something right offensively. There is a reason I do not like Mike Martz as an OC - he gets his QB killed. (Watch how Cutler did his 'bob and weave' behind the LoS this season - he didn't even plant his feet right most of the time when he threw. He threw the passes after passes off his back foot, because of the impending pass rush in his face.) By the time Warner was leaving St. Louis, he was so banged up and dinged in the head that he couldn't properly play as a starting QB (look at how he regressed as a player during Martz's term.) Warner himself confessed it took good 5 years to recover from the physical abuse he had to endure during the brief stint with Martz. It just happened that as he was recovering fully, Leinart was done for season. Freak of luck? You could say that. But I do not think it was Todd Haley making things work for Warner - Gilbride couldn't make things work for Warner either, and we all know Gilbride is one of the better OCs in the league.
Exactly. As I said in the last Haley thread, this guy is just Brian Schottenheimer with an anger management problem. He's notorious for refusing to change his system to work around his talent, for making overly complicated calls in bad situations, and of course for alienating just about everyone he's ever worked with. Seriously, this guy's offense put up 4 fucking yards in the first half on Sunday, and there are fans out there who want to run out and hire him?
Why are you regurgitating this shit from last year? We all knew this already. And Rex went after him and he turned us down. Try and keep up.
