Toby Gerhart, Private Workout for the Jets

Well he's not a tailback....unless 3 starters get hurt or the NFL makes a rule that RBs can only run in straight lines.

 

Refer to post 96.

 

I know it's been a while since Alstott played, but please don't sell him short, especially when comparing him to a college RB who hasn't yet played a down in the NFL. And I think people tend to forget that Alstott did much less blocking and taking more handoffs, starting in the middle parts of his career, especially after Dunn went off to Atlanta. He became more of a true HB during that time, and that's the Alstott I'm comparing with TG.

 

Perhaps you should stick to hockey, grammar, and road rage. Football clearly isn't your thing.

 

You're right, I wasn't competing at the CFL combine 4 years ago. There's a handful of people who can talk football with me on this site. Knowing the 1988 NFL MVP and shit doesn't mean anything.

We'll see what he's done at the end of the season.

 

I'm not selling Alstott short. He was fantastic in that role, and even though he frequently carried the ball, he was a fantastic blocker. Gerhart was rarely even used in pass protection at Stanford. Jeremy Stewart was used more often in obvious passing situations. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that Alstott and Gerhart are different runners in different roles. Even later in Alstott's career when their roles would have been similar, he wasn't the same kind of runner as Gerhart.

 

They hold a concurrent spelling bee? Who knew?

 

Just throwing this out there, but if the Jets do wind up taking Gerhart, I could see the Jets asking him to play fullback for a season or two while he develops and Tomlinson's contract winds down. Not as a permanent position change but only as a way of getting a talented player onto the field. Gerhart sees a couple of snaps in two back sets as a check down option, a receiving option, or a pass blocking option with a few carries in there while Greene, Tomlinson, and Washington take their carries. Then, one year or two later when Washington/Tomlinson gets the pink slip, Gerhart moves over into the HB slot.

That's the only way I can see the Jets putting Gerhart at FB.

 

Can't be a Jets fan either.. All Jets fans know that Al Toon's career was basically ended by concussions.

 

^No thank you. I'd prefer someone else then. RBs don't need time to develop. Thats one position in the NFL you don't require time to develop, especially if you're picked this early in the draft.

 

Alstott was not just a power runner. That was his forte, but he also proved he had the ability to break it into the secondary. And he bounced runs to the outside about as frequently as Eddie George did (on a per-carry basis), who some here have compared TG with, not to mention TG himself. I believe you agreed, no? Sounds like an indirect comparison to me, but I'm sure you'll disagree.

Alstott was 20 pounds heavier than TG? Say what?! They must be totally different players!

And Alstott != McClain. Not even "sort of" =.

Are you really saying this? Alstott had no cutback ability? You may have an argument in regards to speed (0.13s difference), but you're dead wrong on the latter. I don't know where you're getting this crap.

 

You know, it's funny. I found a list of all of the 2006 CFL Evaluation Camp invitees. I don't see you on there. Perhaps you were using a different name?

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3280039

Maybe you're going to tell us you're really Ricky Foley?

 

I can see a team trying to put Gerhart at FB, but it would be a big mistake.

 

I thinks he's confused about the meanings of the words "running back" and "American football",
much like he confused the term "competing" with "masturbating in the parking lot".

 

There aren't too many HBs that come into the league completely developed. They can all run the ball but pass blocking and blitz pickup are typically learned skills unless you find a system that expressly teaches it to RBs. That's one of the reasons the Jets targeted LT, his pass blocking ability. As a runner, Gerhart is great out of the gates. As a pass blocker, he needs time just like most rookies.

If they used him purely as a fullback it would be a huge mistake, but as a 2nd RB option I think it would work well. He wouldn't be out there to lead block for Green or Tomlinson, just draw attention away from one of them. Or, one of them could draw attention away from him. Imagine a split back set with Greene and Gerhart. The defense would have to account for the dive from either HB, or a pitch to Greene(not sure if Gerhart could take one, I'm doubting it).

 

There's a big difference between running a split RB set and using him as a FB. Obviously, I don't object to the former. I don't want him used as a FB, meaning as a lead blocker/infrequent pass catcher/even more infrequent ball carrier.

 

I know, I wanted to focus more on lining him up as a FB and getting him the ball rather than having him lead block(although Schottenheimer with his trick plays...ugh). Putting him and Greene/Tomlinson in an I-Form, Split-I, Split-back or Twin-Back out of shotgun could help give Sanchez another check-down option.

 

I just think RB is not an immediate need. We have more glaring needs on the team than to add a 4th RB. The ONLY way I wouldn't mind seeing an RB drafted in the first two days is if Leon is shipped out.

In no particular order, we need to get younger at the DL and OL, add a safety (not sold on Pool/Smith starting), CB and a slot receiver. That's 5 picks needed right there.

 

I don't see why you think it has to be entirely one or the other.

 

If Leon ships out, RB becomes our first priority. I'd love nabbing TG, but 29 is a stretch, and 61 is probably too late. Trading down seems like the move, barring a steal sitting at 29.