If you want to argue the Jets had the guy rated wrong that's one thing but panic implies something entirely different. If it turns out the Jets did rate him right and he becomes a solid player how can you bitch about the pick? I believe the Jets do what a lot of other teams do, they rate every player and when they see similar value lower down they trade down and when they see value up the board they trade up. Panic implies something entirely different. A team panics on draft day when the move up to grab someone they have rated lower than where they are moving up to. I don?t think the Jets did that at all yesterday, I think they traded up and down based on the way they rated the board. If you think they rated these guys poorly that?s a legit beef but panic, we really don?t know what went on behind the scenes but I don?t get the sense that these guys panicked.
Not at all. This is a pick that fits the Jets system. I base this on what the Jets have said they want to do. The Jets want guys who are nasty and tough and versataille. This guy appears to have great potential as an ILB who is a great tackler, incredibly strong and instinctive. Nobody is going to run over this guy. Also, a big time contributer to special teams. Now if the Jets turned around and chose a 230 ILB who is fast as sheet and may have to be converted to a safety despite him playing ILB all four of his years with their 3rd round pick then I would think that would go against what they are trying to do and suggest a reach even though Mel Kiper had him going around the 3rd round. Good value pick according to Kiper, but a bad pick for the Jets.
Did you watch any Ohio State games this year? Apparantly not. Schlaegel was a non-factor in the 3 games I watched - Hawk and Carpenter were the key to the LB core. Was projected to go late in Day 2, or as a walk-on.
But that all just your opinion, which is exactly what you're criticizing others for having..."this guy appears to have great potential"....according to who? you (and the Jets I guess)....but no other 3rd party source and certainly not based on what I've seen watching him.
I'm not criticising you for your opinion. I'm being critical about the fact that you seem to be reliant on 'expert' opinions who rate these guys based on simply statistics, or their combine #s, or watched a little film on them. They borrow from each other. Do you honestly think these experts have any clue about what players will translate into NFL material. And more importantly how these players match up to what the Jets want to do? They can't even get the 1st round right let alone the 3rd. Your opinion is fine. If you feel the 'draft experts' have it right and if the Jets deter from their opinions that's fine. I put very little stock into it - in fact, if the Jets made Kiper happy I'd be scared. An interesting side note - many of us think we are drafting like the Pats. The overall intent may be there, but I think the evaluation process is different. EVERY year the Pats do well by the 'draft experts' in terms of steals, value and usually get A or A+, but their draft picks in general don't live up to the early accolades. Mangini came over to the Jets to change the evaluation process - not the Jets process, but the Patriots process. Interesting - he saw faults or at least better ways to improve on them.
took the words right out of my keyboard... Vrabel was a little known OHS LB taken somewhere in the bottom of the 3rd early 4th round himself... I don't fret this pick... infact I like it. Ellis
Ok heres my opinion. FIrst let me say I wanted Watson. Secondly Cox loves the guy so that is very good in my opintion. Thirdly he is a playmaker not a combine warrior. ( I remember a lot of guys saying we want playmakers not workout warriors). WE do this and people are still mad. He was second on the team in tackles. I can live with the pick. I really like Smith this kid can play he is smart and tough and can cover a alot of ground. I Give the JEts so far an A-
We will see but to defend ANY pick at this moment is really silly until we see them play & actually see how productive or unproductive they are. If history is a guide neither OLman we picked in the 1st round ever got us to the SB. See Cadigan & Powell (he maybe before your time)
From a Buckeye message board: "Coach Tressel and staff have said that Schlegel is one of the most natural leaders they ever coached. As has been mentioned, a team captain at Air Force as a Soph. Being a captain that early is impressive, even more so when you consider that everyone on that team is considered a leader. Schlegel lacks some athletic ability but is tough (likes to hunt wild boar with a knife). He played injured most of his Junior year at OSU, and really didn't start showing what he could do till the 2nd half of his Senior year. The good news is that his best football is probably still ahead of him."
You apparently also like Herm. That about covers it. I think I will accept the FOs judgment over your obviously critical outlook. At least they didn't take a kicker in the first round!
Can people please stop posting false info. Mike Vrabel was a monster recruit out of high school (Ohio player of the year) who went to Ohio St, set their career record for sacks and tackles for loss, was 2 time first team all Big 10, Big 10 Dlineman of the year and oh by the way first team All american. Schlagel has nowhere near those credentials.
