Tim Tebow: An efficient scorer among the Elites.

Yes absolutely I just did....Tebow's, Rodgers, Brady's Mannings, and a few other guys interception % are on a different level compared to the rest of the league.

Most of your arguments continue to focus on attempts as some sort of basis that it's directly relevant with efficiency. They're not. Please learn this because now you are beginning to embarress yourself with the facts staring at you. You're also contradicting yourself in the same paragraph, especially the one in bold(Stafford ended up pretty good in interception % and great in touchdown %) and you seem to have a problem with certain quarterbacks like Tebow who happens to rate as good as the big names that you feel the need to explain it away. Some quarterbacks increase their efficiency, other decrease, while others remain the same. That's why I'm looking at everything in terms of % not totals which is what you're basing your argument. And your convenient excuses and explanation for each individual quarterback are just that: convenient and excuses. Completely subjective and anyone can argue against them.

Ben Roethlisberger, for example had 558 attempts, quite a bit lower than Stafford's 730...but it didn't improve his turnover % despite his defense and despite his lower attempts, which goes completely against your beliefs. Why didn't he fair better? According to you, he should have. But no, he had 20 turnovers. So did other scrubs with few attempts like Gabbert, Painter, etc. Gabbert's defense didn't help him be any more efficient in either area did it? Stafford on the other hand had 730 attempts and only 19 turnovers interceptions. That's nearly 180 plays(4 football games) that Stafford where he didn't turn over the ball where Ben did. Phillip Rivers had 608 attempts and 25 turnovers. So he stunk it up.

You seem to be stuck on the WRONG belief that thew fewer attempts a quarterback has the better the interception % or TD %. It's completely false. As the numbers of attempts increase or decrease they can go either way. In fact that's how some end up bad in efficiency. Few attempts and lots of pics. Others remain very consistent. Tom Brady averages 2-2.5% in interception % like clockwork. And he's done so pretty much his entire career dating back to college, which is why he's always been one of the most efficient quarterbacks in the league and led his teams to multiple superbowls. Tim Tebow's low interception % also dates back to college. Same with fumbles. Likewise the same goes for lots of attempts and few touchdowns leads to bad touchdown efficiency. Who cares if you'are able to move up and down the field if you can't punch it in the redzone for a score?

Aaron Rodgers, also increased his attempts but him and guys like Alex Smith, decreased their interceptions, so they increased their interception %. The reason Alex Smith got better, is because he was taught how to protect the football better. It was that simple.

And just for the record, that is why I did career stats first, and included post season, to get as much data as possible and get the whole picture. Tim did play in 2010 as well as well as post season. So so we're not just looking at 11 games even in 2011. That's Tim over 13 games in 2011, including post season, and that's a higher degree of difficulty.

And it is also why I included TOTAL turnovers and plays, not just interception % and not just passing attempts. Which is why guys like Stafford comes out looking good while other quarterbacks you might favor don't. Stafford didn't just do a good job in interception % he also only had 1 fumble for the season including playoffs. Because while some quarterbacks do good in limiting interceptions, they STILL FUMBLE which is just as bad! Like Sanchez who had 8. You can come up with a million excuses but when you go an entire season and play in playoff games and you only have 1 fumble like Stafford, it means you're a damn good ball protector. No need to come up with excuses, because that's all that means.

Oh and one more thing, please don't accuse me of making things up:
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...tegory=PASSING&conference=null&qualified=true


When I say lead the league I'm not necessarily talking about #1. Aaron Rodgers was tied for 4th in the league with 36 sacks and Alex Smith was 1st with 44. Alex Smith smartened up and learned how to take a sack instead of throwing a pick. Because believe it or not, that can be a good strategy and a good thing even though most people see sacks as a bad thing. It's all relative. Notice the rest of the guys like Brady, Stafford, Newton, Romo, Tebow....all who ended up high in sacks but also great in efficient in interception %. If it means avoiding an interception, then a sack is a positive alternative. It has a lot to do with their interception % as well as turnover %. They are relevant. Not all quarterbacks who take sacks, do it because they suck. For the efficient, smart quarterbacks, sometimes it's the only correct move.

OTH, if you are like Ben, who throws for few touchdowns, lots of pics AND lots of sacks, you're probably stinking it up, which is no surprise someone as efficient as Tebow was able to beat his team. Thanks a lot in part to Ben's turnovers of course and his inefficient play. Also one of the reasons why Pittsburgh's offense ranked near the bottom of the league in efficiency.

PS: And for the record, your eyes are as worthless as mine, because you can't keep up with all 39-40 quarterbacks and keep track of everything they do then grade them and rank them accordingly. That's one reason we have stats. To keep track of their progress. And I'm also not trying to hide any faults for Tebow. He has a lower completion % but beyond that he's looking pretty good from where I stand.

 

You know what's laughable? You're understanding of football and your opinion filled analysis. First of all, there are 4 categories that we look at QB and so does the NFL:

Yards
Completion %
Interception %
And TD %

This analysis focuses on two of those 4 categories as well as 2 others that are not listed. Fumble % and Rushing TD %.

Everyone is well aware Tim Tebow completes at a lower completion % which is why I am presenting you the categories where Tim Tebow, fair and square had outperformed 95% of the NFL quarterbacks.

Second, completion % is not a measure of accuracy. Anyone that has any sort of football knowledge understands this, and you don't. For you to sit there, and come to the conclusion that Tim Tebow's accuracy is bad, because of his completion % tells me you are an amateur football enthusiast who understands very little about the game of football.

Now, if you DO want to talk about completion %, and you want to do it objectively, for me to even begin taking your data seriously, then what you NEED to do is get your hands on some hard data, like I have presented here. Don't give me 2 or 3 examples you picked out and then pass it on as you "proving" something, because you did not. The only thing you continue to prove is your agenda-driven, opinionated garbage you keep spouting about a legitimate player.

Get your hands on the following information:

Number of attempts(passing and rushing)
Number of actual DROPS
Number of throw aways
Number of actual misses

NFL-backed data, and then put it together for ALL the active quarterbacks like I have done here.

When you find that information, and you put it together, and you find a way to present it in an analytical and objective manner, I will be more than happy to talk to you about completion % in terms of accuracy!


Oh .....and just for the record the difference in "11.5 POINTS" as you so put it, when it comes to Tim Tebow who averaged 24 attempts in his 12 starts last year and thus the difference between his completion percentage of 46.5% and Jay Cutler's 58% is 3 completed passes a game. The difference between him and 50+% is usually 1 pass completion a game.

3 passes. That's what's keeping Tebow from a 58% "accuracy". Do you understand how meaningless that is in the grand scheme of things when you are talking about a guy who's currently at the top of the NFL in both TD%, Int% and TD/TO ratio?

I doubt it. The difference between him and others in terms of scoring efficiency is as much as 1 interception or 1 touchdown. But when you talk about completion % you are talking about 3 passes. Now whether that is 3 5 yard passes guys like Tom Brady complete in a particular game, or even 3 10 yard first downs, it still comes nowhere near the value of a touchdown or a turnover.

Do you understand how stupid it sounds, for you or the million of other "analysts" who judge Tebow's accuracy based on completion %, to overlook the fact that in essence you are saying he's an inaccurate quarterback because he fails to complete 1 extra pass a game that would have otherwise put him over 50%?

It's freaking retarded.