The D wasn't great at all in postseason but Thomas Jones was. In 3 games he ran it 55 times for 301 yds(5.5 YPC) w/ 4 TDs. In 2 playoff games Ricky has 31 yds on 10 carries.
Did you read the first few posts in the thread? I wanted people to be clear that I was only concerned with the season that just passed and the upcoming season.
It's CLEARLY Ricky Williams? Do you know what the word clearly means? It means that if Williams is clearly better than Jones right now, then to waste even a second of time to debate who is the better player would be pointless and laughable. Peyton Manning is clearly better than Kellen Clemens. Larry Fitzgerald is clearly better than Chansi Stuckey. DeMarcus Ware is clearly better than Gladys Gholston. I am happy to break it to you that Ricky Williams is not clearly better than Jones.
Where did I do that? I was comparing Jones to Ricky Williams. But anyway, if somebody wanted to argue that Jones is in Brown's class, I don't see why that would be a cuckoo argument. Did Jones or did Jones not outrush Brown in 2008 while playing for a shittier offense with silly coaches and with a quarterback who did not finish 2nd in the voting for league MVP? http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb
Jones 3 games he faced the 22nd, 23rd and 32nd ranked Defenses against the run. Ricky faced the 15th and 3rd and he didn't get a lot of carries because the QB for his team shit the bed and the games were out of reach and he didn't get carries.
Oh give me a break. Indy was a different D in postseason, in their 3 AFC playoff games they held Larry Johnson to 32 yds, Jamal Lewis to 53 and laurence Mauroney/Corey Dillon to 61 yds and a week after Minny shut down Ricky their great run D allowed 141 to the Giants.
Ricky Williams has always been one of the most talented RBs in the league his problem is he just doesn't give a shit about football or his career. He's in it for the cash. If it's talent you are asking about I'll take Rick but Jones is more than adequate. I got no problems with Jones at RB for another year or two, he has low mileage as per not being a feature back til later in his career; therefore his age isn't a concern to me just yet. He's an underrated player.
Take it a step further. If it weren't for Ricky Williams' talent, most teams (including, but not limited to, the Fags or any other NFL team) would have written him off many years ago and not put up with his bullshit. The man is clearly not of sound mind. I mean, come on... going off to Hawaii, getting stoned for weeks on end while the FO is calling, trying to get you back. Violating NFL rules multiple times over a couple of hits off a reefer that prevents you passing tests and from collecting millions? This is clearly someone who is not in control of their mental faculties, which means that at any moment, he's likely to fuck up. And fuck up, big time. So okay. Who is the better RB right now? Do we even need to ask?
Overall career and commitment to the game? I would take Thomas Jones any day over Williams. Williams may have more talent and speed, but Jones has more heart and wants it more. Which would you want to depend on?
I would say by him pointing out how utterly unreliable Ricky Williams is . . . he's definately agreeing with you.
All of you people who are saying that Williams is better than Jones simply because he's more talented than Jones, are really underestimating the fact that hard-work, character, and determination are ESSENTIAL considerations in determining a football player's value. Yes, Ricky Williams is probably as physically gifted as any running back in the NFL. However, as has been pointed out numerous times already in this thread, Ricky Williams is the ultimate underachiever. He's INHERENTLY inferior to TJ as a football player because Thomas Jones has the drive and determination to be as good as he can poosibly be, while Ricky Williams just doesnt. That's why he isn't as productive as TJ. It's that simple. In the NFL, the talent difference between two players at a given position is marginal. Hard work and determination to be the best one can be really matter in the NFL, just as they do in ANY elite level of competition, whether it's a sport or anything else. Yes, he's more talented, but he doesn't work to make sure that his incredible talent is manifested in his play and production. And for those of you who fall back on the logically dubious excuse that "Ricky Williams isn't the feature back in Miami the way TJ is in NY, thus, his production isn't anywhere near what TJ's is", consider that maybe, just maybe, Miami recognizes his lack of determination and heart, just like the rest of us! Or how about this one: Maybe, just maybe, Ricky hasn't worked hard enough to regain his old form after being off for several seasons due to his affinity for chronic? Maybe, because he doesn't live up to his potential, he isn't a good enough FOOTBALL PLAYER to be the feature back in a system with a player of Ronnie Brown's caliber? Maybe Thomas Jones is just a better FOOTBALL PLAYER than Ricky Williams is? With all that in mind, I'd take Thomas Jones over Ricky Williams any day of the week.
Everything I said was relevant. I brought up his college career to point out that his incredible stats don't even tell the whole story of how talented he is. This is relevant to his talent being underrated, including being underrated by all the people who voted for TJ over Ricky.
I guess you just made the argument that Jones is better than Brown. I think you're wrong. There isn't a HC, GM in the league who would take Jones over Brown. I'm sure you can pull out all the stats to back up your point. You know what I'm going with my lying eyes.
Jones is a great running back. I have a lot of respect for him. He does his job well on the field and I?m sure he trains hard in the off season. The whole Favre incident at the end of the season looked kind of bad, but in the end who left Mangini and Favre. I guarantee over 1,000 yards again this season and probably six touchdowns. I like our one two punch at running back, I think we should add one more back from the draft.
For the record, I'd take Brown over Jones. I presented a few ways for people to argue for Jones if they were so inclined. It was a pretty simple post on my part. Thanks for the distortion, sir.
