How many of them started as rookies and how many started after spending time on the bench? I know Young was on the bench but not sure of the others. I would only put Starr, Young, Bradshaw and Fouts in the elite group from that list anyway.
I've seen flashes from Clemens. He brought the Jets to OT twice earlier this season with very little time on the clock. He plays hard even when the team is down, unlike Chad who used to hang his head when the Jets were getting their brains beat in. Chad and the Jets got stomped by the Jaguars last season. Clemens and the Jets got stomped by the Cowboys this season. Do you see the difference there?
Yeah, but you're saying he sucks based on what you've seen so far. There are probably 50 good starting QB's in NFL history who have looked just like Clemens after their first half dozen starts. Some of them after a full season on the job. All that Clemens has showed us so far is that he cannot run the offense well with the kind of personnel the Jets have. That's exactly what Chad showed us earlier on. The difference is that Clemens has displayed the ability to keep playing hard anyway and for the most part to keep the Jets in games against superior opponents. Chad was deer in the headlights at the end of almost every game.
We should have won the Redskins game if not for dropped passes. It is not his fault the Offensive Coordinator decided to run the Herm Edwards Prevent offense and run TJ on the one twice when the browns know what play is coming. He has given us a chance to win every game we have played except the Cowboys game unlike his predecessor. Look at what Young and Aikman had playing with them. Get Clemens a burner and you will see the flashes. Our best Wr should be on crutches the second receiver has a broken finger and the third receiver can't catch a cold. An offense has to be designed for Clemens and Receivers who can stretch the field have to be drafted or signed. Not to mention the revolving door at Tackle that can't give him two seconds of protection. Despite out teams bad play we have been in every game except one against the second best team in Football.
Please. No offense to your father, but he obviously does not understand football. He did admirably well considered that once again he had no pass protection, a weak and collapsing line even against the run , predictable play calling, no healthy wide receivers.
You people are utterly ridiculous. How can you pass judgment after six games?? SIX games? SIX GAMES?!??!?!?! I stand in mock awe of your "ability" to judge football players after their first six games. Can he have one offseason as starter before we write him off so eagerly?
^^^ You all make good points, and I concede that it is a short span to make a judgement. I am going on my years of experience in watching and following football, and I have been right on many occasions given a small sample of games (Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, Scott Mitchell). I have been wrong a few times, but I've been right alot more. As always, time will tell, but I'm confident in saying that this guy does not have it.
I have to disagree because, although he's been on the team for a year and a half, he doesn't have a year and a half's worth of experience yet. If he had some experience, I'd say you're right. I don't know too many people here that have said he's "the future" yet, certainly not me. Likewise, it's unfair and still too early to put him in the "shit category" also. Bottom line, you really don't know what you have in any QB this early, so I have to unfortunately put you as a supposed Jets fan in the short-sighted, impatient, "I want immediate results right now or the guy is shit" category.
Also, unless we pulled Warren Sapp off our practice squad and put him on the D line and pulled other pro-bowl OT's an OG's off our practice squad and started all of them we really can't judge Clemens yet. All of the things that made Chad look bad are the same things contributing to Clemens screwing up from time to time. I think that the CS has to get away from calling these pop-fly passes. Clemens has a much stronger arm than Chad; that's why he is in there. We have to let his arm work for us, but I do not look for real measurable imrovement till next year.
Why is it the fault of the WRs and not KC who throws the ball all over the Stadium? Sure he has some drops but he throws alot more bad balls that get caught than good passes that get dropped and guys are open, he's just indecisive. He has plenty of time to throw but gets happy feet. Most of the "lack of accuracy" passes are NOT from the jump balls he throws. He is constantly throwing the ball too high or too wide, SO FAR he is a very inaccurate QB.
NEXT YEAR.. The Game slows down for Kellen... It's a complete shock to him right now - Going to Dallas with 2 games to prep... Playing The Pats, "the Best team ever....." That's why you have to give a QB a full season after getting some reps.... Get him more protection and another weapon and then next year is when you can see what you have.... Right now we have a green kid getting thrown to the fire with a lack of support.
Just looking at the numbers/opponents/injuries, Clemens has easily outplayed Pennington this season. However, Pennington was playing on the same injury that is currently hobbling Coles.
And that injury was to his right ankle too. The one he uses to push off with. He probably wasn't 100% all season, and considering his arm is weak to begin with, he probably wasn't able to push off as effectively with it.
I'm not giving up on him but he hasn't played the Pats yet. i can give him a pass for the Dallas game but he's beenawful in most of the games he's played no matter how good or bad the D's have been. Cle has the worst D in the league andhe did nothing all day. I am not giving up on him, I'm a little down on him but we have to expect growing pains. My major concern is we haven't seen any progress from him, he's not getting better. I want to see at least some improvement. Where do you get this from? coles got hurt but only missed a game, Chad had TJ playing hurt and ineffective the first month. Cotch missed only a game plus Chad's D stuk when he was in there so his opportunities were limited. Also, i already noted in the other thread that Chad played the more difficult sched up until now in terms of Defenses.
Coles has been a shell for a few weeks and Cotch had a nice game but dropped a sure TD and came down right on his broken hand and was in pain on the first play from the 20 when we kicked the FG. Chad had a great opportunity to beat a beat up Bills D the first time we played them and didn't get it done and he put up 3 on them at home the second time we played them. The D played well against Philadelphia at home and our O with Chad did nothing. The D stunk up the joint against the Giants and Bengals but in both cases our O had opportunities to tie or take the lead and both times gave up points to the D in critical times of the game.
Coles has played and played well, Cotch had over 100 rec yds so whether these guys are in pain or not they are performing. Chad did have a great opportunity to beat the Bills twice, the d also blew double digit leads against NYG(2 of them) and Cincy and KC has had chances to beat Washington, cle and baltimore. 1 awful D and 2 mediocre Ds yet he was awful for 90% of each game.
Well I have read enough and I am gonna come to dear old Dads defense. I am not directing my response to this post specifically, but to a number of posts that have said the same thing. Anyway Dad did not say he sucks for a Qb who is a rookie , or has no pass protection or no blocking. He just says he sucks. And I for one would have to agree with him if I were basing my judgement on a per games assesment. Not with any other intangibles such as experience and so forth. If you were to just turn on the tv and see him for the first time knowing nothing about him, i am sorry he is not impressive. Will he be?? Who knows I cant tell the future. I hope we give him the rest of the year to prove himself. But I hope that we dont go much longer than that. I mean He had his chance against the worst team in the NFL. Ok so their defense is ok but they still havent won a game. If not for our defense steping to the plate i wonder how we would have done. Then we go against the worst defense and he still is rather inaffective. Nope jury is out and for now , no intangibles included dad is right on in his assesment
Oh yea, its all Clemens fault Adrian Clarke was abused by Seymour and hit while he threw the ball, which lead to the INT. Idiocity must run in the family....
