There's hope yet...

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by Acad23, Feb 2, 2017.

  1. David-The-Meats-Harris

    David-The-Meats-Harris Well-Known Member

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    The whole Sheldon and Mo thing really set a bad precedence in the locker for sure. Add geno and Marshall in there and suddenly it sounds like a really terrible place to go every day

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  2. Br4d

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    It wasn't just adjustments. Bowles was shouting at them when they played a crappy 1st half and telling them they better bring a win back into the locker room by the end of the game. Jets were down big against Eli and the Giants at the half and absolutely stomped them in the second half to get a win.
     
  3. TonyFtLaud

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    In 2015 Bowles half time adjustments were to sit on a lead, let the crappiest teams in the league back into the games and pray the D managed to hold on.
     
  4. Acad23

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    At least he did something.

    The praying kinda worked.

    Last year not so much...Then again we didn't have the lead very often.
     
  5. NCJetsfan

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    In some games perhaps, but I remember several games, including the first game of the season where he made adjustments that helped the team.
     
  6. jdon

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    Maybe. If he can keep his team from looking totally unprepared at the start of games and the second halves of games it might mean something. I think he is a goner after this year. The players played like dogs for him.
     
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  7. jdon

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    Well, when you let the vets piss all over you repeatedly it is hard to motivate.
     
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    TB had no answers for the team this year. None. Each week he would say we have to play better, I have to coach better, etc. The same stuff we have heard from former coaches that were piss poor. Like his predecessors he is a failure at just about everything related to the team, at lest in 2016. I lost faith him him during the KC game when he continued to play Fitz as the INT increased. He seem clueless then and frankly his mishandling of locker room, the young QB development or lack thereof, and team's detestable play proved he isn't a HC.

    I have no illusions about this year team and their ability to be competitive, play smart and start fast. none.
     
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    That Revis spent all year playing 10 yards off the line of scrimmage and ole-ing at passing runners tells you all you really need to know on this score. No respect at all for Bowles in the way Revis played. He might have been the single biggest factor when Bowles gets fired which I think is fairly likely to be after the 2017 season.

    The worst thing that could happen to us is the Jets beef and go 8-8 or 9-7 and then keep Bowles despite having no legitimate shot at a real QB in the draft next year. Bowles needs a real franchise QB to grow with or he's going to be toast in a couple of years no matter what.

    I'd much rather the Jets go 2-14 and get the #1 pick in the draft and keep Bowles than that they go 9-7 and keep him. The second result is just putting off the pain for a year and another coaching staff that might or might not make it. Bowles would probably get fired after 2-14, like Lindy Infante with the 1997 Colts and Jim Caldwell with the 2012 Colts, but keeping him after 9-7 would be much worse than keeping him after 2-14 #1 pick in terms of our chances to actually build a team.

    Ringling Bros and Barnum and Bailey finally shut things down this year. They couldn't keep the Circus going in a modern economy. Neither can the Jets. Selling this team on a year to year basis with free agents has basically run its course. Nobody believes that will work any more and that's going to create a lot of empty seats in the down years and not so many packed houses in the years when the Jets look like they might have half a chance. Nobody runs to see a team that has half a chance these days, not even in the NFL.
     
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  10. jdon

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    I totally agree with this. The Jets made me sour on the whole football season. I hated the playoffs and I laughed my ass off last night. I was texting with my son in New Zealand. AT 28-3 I said I do not believe in the Atlanta D and I sense a comeback. When it happened I was of course vindicated but miserable. It was the Pats, for crying out loud! I hope I can get up for next season (I was really down on football viewing this year) and I agree we need to go 2-14. I think Bowles is just the coach for that. He is good at standing on the sideline with a sorrowful look on his face. Reminds me of Big Rich
     
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  12. nicg4360

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    I hate the pats just as much as anyone here but 1 thing I am envious of them is the way the players play their guts out every game. No divas (well Brady maybe). But for the most part every player has a role and plays it well. Every single player overacheives. No one cares about stats. They are all team oriented. Not sure what bill does to accomplish this but it's quite admirable. I remember back in the Troy Brown days good long time WR in Me I saw a game and he was playing Cornerback. WTF. Playing it pretty good as well. I would love it if Bowles could get blue collar players that give everything they got...Always. No bitching about not being thrown to or carries or playing out of position. Regis is ok but he is the poster boy of what is wrong with this team. Bill B punted his butt out...Hate to say it but the Jets need to look at that model if u want to call it that because it is what has helped NE thrive with very low picks...They pick players not BPA. Guys who come in week in week out and play for the team not themselves.
     
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    Spot on. It's amazing. I've never heard of most of the players on the Pats roster, but it doesn't matter who they plug in, they play well. They've missed on their share of draft picks, but they have some way of finding "football players" who work hard, are team-oriented, and BB and his CS must be absolutely GIANTS in terms of teaching and preparing their players to play.
     
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    How many first round starters did NE trade this year ..I lost count but all they did was plug in the next guy....Not even skipping a beat. After every trade I saw I was thinking wow that's gonna hurt their chances. It did squat. They looked the same. They just have guys that want to play 100 percent full effort all the time.
     
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  15. Acad23

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    It's is amazing what they get out of some of these guys...and when X-player ain't getting it done, Y-player steps up to pick up the slack.

    It's also about who they get rid of. They shed high level players...and you think...huh?

    But the train keeps a rollin'.
     
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    Its stated quite often how we need to tank etc and I get it great players are had among the first few picks but how is a team like NE so dominant with not having these picks for how long 15 years? They are always picking 20-32 at the highest but always have high performing players at all positions. I may be wrong but I rarely see new England draft BPA ....They draft for what they need.
     
  17. xxedge72x

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    If you land a star in the first round of every draft (never happens in real life) and draft unrosterable player with every pick after, then your team is still going to suck.

    Success isn't one pick like the first round is frequently hyped up to be, it's a combination of total performance across rounds. The Patriots have plenty of misses but overall they find enough talent that they are competitive at every position on the field. They have depth. They can withstand losses, including the loss of their single best player (Brady) or their future hall of famer Gronk.

    The Patriots, if nothing else, are competent everywhere on their roster. If you take the weakest link theory and apply it to the NFL, the Patriots are consistently at the top of the league at the weakest link still being damn good.

    Look at what a cluster fuck the Jets TE position was this year. In a vacuum, TE is not the most important on the field. The thing is though, when you have competent players, it gives the team more options. The more options you have, the more of an advantage you have and the more likely you are to use those advantages and turn them into wins.

    They are structurally sound from a roster building perspective. It's why they jettison very good to elite level players without batting an eye.

    What the Jets do in the first round doesn't matter if they don't get the rest of it right.

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  18. MoWilkBeast

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    The Patriots are, sadly, a phenomenon. A perfect storm in some ways. All time great HC and QB, great systems and schemes, good coaches, leadership and a team-first ethic. Its hard to find flaws in anything that they do, its why they have been able to stay so good for so long. Everything works like a well oiled machine. And they push the boundaries to breaking point if not beyond. That's why they are largely hated more than respected.

    Its astonishing how they are able to plug no name guys in and make them look great all the time, while names disappear regularly and never seem able to recreate their performance elsewhere. The team first ethic. If you don't buy in to it you are gone. The team is more important than any individual and winning is more important than individual feats.
     
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    That's what I'd love to see here. Not only would we win, but we wouldn't have to put up with any more dumbasses like Sheldon and no more greedy asshats like Mevi$.
     
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    I have to say that they are a team prepared for any contingency that may come up. The only thing they cannot handle is if you beat their QBs face off, but that is true for any team. No matter the score, they have a contingency plan. Coach B is Mr Adjustment. Their D won the game Sunday by shutting a Falcons team down that was on a positive roll. Maybe the Falcs had something to do with it but it is hard to shut down a late playoffs team for an entire half. And of course Brady, curse him, was great. I often wonder how good he would be outside the system, but no one ever wonders about Bart Starr, do they? Brady has found his personal Garden of Eden. Damn him.
     

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