The Week 7 Ben Graham Report

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  1. NYMagpies

    NYMagpies New Member

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    Id like to see Ben kick more to the sideline as i have noticed alot of other punters do that too.
     
  2. Blighty

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    Gday. just joined after two year of lurking.
    I'm another Jets convert, thanks to TBJ's reports.
    look forward to getting involved with the talk.
    ( Once i figure out how to submit comments properly!)
     
  3. Benny & The Jets

    Benny & The Jets New Member

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    Welcome aboard Blighty!

    The more the merrier.:up:
     
  4. ESCRONDON

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    Thanks for the welcome everyone.

    Benny & Frank- user name incidental I support the POWER !!!

    I sent the report (to the radio station) because someone rang in asking if they new how "Big Ben" was going.

    They read out some selected parts of the report and gave out the web
    address.It started about 15 mins.of discussion on air.With other callers making comments etc.
    I'll send in the reports each week, if TBJ doesnt mind.

    I also love this thread & have been back in the history to read all the past reports & pre-season reports.Loved the one called "fireworks" during the pre-season.

    Keep up good the work TBJ.
     
  5. ESCRONDON

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    Welcome Blighty

    TBJ- I do know a little about the game, but you can do a brief piece on touch backs.Back during the 90"s the local TV station would play one match per week.I would always watch it or tape it. It was around the time of Dan Marino & Joe Montana,that sort of era.
    Thanks....:grin:
     
  6. Benny & The Jets

    Benny & The Jets New Member

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    I suppose, we all have our little problems?:wink: :rofl:
     
  7. Blighty

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    Thanks Guys.
    I feel like I know you all, since I haven't missed a single Ben Graham report.
    TBJ was the first guy on the web to recognize Graham's potential, when he mentioned him during the Knorr v Graham practise sessions way back in September 2005.
    Benny and the Jets deserves a pat on the back for getting the ball rolling on the reports.

    I was a part time Broncos and Vikings fan for the past 20+ years, but its all Jets for me now. Just a shame we haven't seen them in action yet over here.
    For the Aussies who are here I'm a North Melbourne fan and my Avatar is of the greatest player to kick a big torp. Malcolm Blight would have made a great NFL punter!!
     
  8. Satan

    Satan Well-Known Member

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    TBJ you better copywright your reports:lol:
     
  9. Satan

    Satan Well-Known Member

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    as long it was after the siren versus carlton at Princess Park:)
     
  10. ESCRONDON

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    Just been back & re-read the "Fireworks" thread by TBJ.
    I didnt want to leave this site.....even though I've got other things I'm ment to be doin'.
    onya TBJ .
     
  11. Twombles

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    hes gettin famous. You should send the reports into the age because they write alot about benny
     
  12. Twombles

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    Us aussies rock this site
     
  13. Blighty

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    I was there that day and not many thought he could do it. I had no doubt.
    A few weeks before though, I saw him kick three 75 metre monsters at Arden St!
    Barassi wouldn't let him kick Torpedoes ( only in emergencies ) so we never saw him kick long as often as we could.
     
  14. SydneyDon

    SydneyDon 2008/2009 TGG The Green Card "International Poster

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    Great to have you Blighty. Talk about a world record for lurking!
    I love the Blighty Av, so seventies.

    Not enough players wear the tash anymore.
     
  15. SydneyDon

    SydneyDon 2008/2009 TGG The Green Card "International Poster

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    Any other Aussie lurkers out there?

    Now is the time to show your mug.

    And on the subject of TBJ being famous, I would like to hear him on the radio talking footy. Lets make this happen peoples.

    The guy I once spoke too at SEN sent me some files I posted here of Benny's interview at SEN. I will email him and see if he wants a North American correspondent (for a fee of course)

    Hope you aren't a high talker or mumbler Tbird.
     
  16. Blighty

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    Cheers SydneyDon,
    Bring back the seventies mo!
     
  17. ThunderbirdJet

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    Welcome Blighty!

    All this attention... I dunno! I guess I will have to write next week's report as though it will get published. I've been more or less winging it till now, but I have done some professional writing and have been published quite a few times over the years on different topics, from measuring pulsed radar power to zone blocking in the NFL and how it affects draft picks. Time to get more detailed and get the editting pencil sharpened!

    I'm surprised, and a wee bit humbled, that these reports have gotten around so much, especially amoung our Aussie friends. I have no problem at all with my writing getting circulated. I think it's great!

    Yes, it's true, from the very first time I saw Graham punt a ball at the Jets' training camp back in July of 2005 I knew he could be something special not only on this team, but in the NFL. I was a fan of his immediately. I have always paid more attention to the kicking game in the NFL than most fans do, but I'm not calling myself an expert on punting. However I have become a student of the the "punt" since Graham's arrival, and the Aussie's who have posted here have helped me learn more about the drop punt in particular. The Jets' punt returners simply could not catch the "tumbler" when Graham arrived. He was making them look foolish at first.

    LOL, as far as speaking, yeah, I'm intelligable! I've done a lot of public speaking in the past. This is really funny! If something comes of it, no one will be more surprised than I!

    I'd be happy to write a primer on NFL punting with explanations of touchbacks, fair catches, blocked punts and muffs. I may do that in this thread, and paste it into the weekly BG reports. In the meantime, cheers mates!
     
  18. ThunderbirdJet

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    A Primer on NFL Punting

    Punting is all about field position, making the opposing team have to move the ball as far as possible to score. The offense has 4 downs, or plays to move the ball ten yards. If they are successful, they get a new set of 4 downs to work with to continue to advance the ball towards the other team's goal. Most often, if they fail to gain 10 yards on the first 3 downs, they will use the 4th down to punt the ball, giving possession of the ball to the opposing team much further away from the goal they are defending. (A team may also opt to try to make the necessary 10 yards by rushing or passing the ball on 4th down as well.)

    The punter lines up about 14 yards behind the center, the player that snaps the ball back to the punter. Once the ball is snapped, the punting team is allowed to immediately send two players down the filed to "cover" the punt, which is to get into position to tackle the opposing team's punt returner. These two players are sometime called "gunners". The other players on the punting team must remain behind the LOS (line of scrimmage) where the ball was placed prior to the snap. Once the punter kicks the ball, they also run downfiled to "cover" the punt. These players are the punt coverage team, also called "Special Teams". If any player other than the gunners cross the LOS before the ball is kicked, it is a penalty. The recieving team can either accept or decline this penalty. If accepted, the team must repunt after a five yard penalty.

    "Downing" the ball
    If the punt recieving team does not catch or touch the punt, the punting team will "down" the ball. This simply means to stop the ball's movement by touching or catching it. That is the spot at which the recieving team will start their next possession. Punt coverage players will race towards the opposing end zone to try to prevent the ball from bouncing over the goal line for a touchback.


    The Touchback
    If a punter kicks the ball into the opponents end zone, it is a touchback, and the recieving team starts from their own 20 yard line with a 1st down. Punters will try to get the ball as close to the opponent's end zone without actually going into it. The field is 100 yards, and the further a team must go to score is often referred to as "good or bad field position". This is why there is a stat for how many times a punter manages to punt "inside the twenty". (An obscure rule is that any player on the punt coverage team that steps out of bounds may not be the first player to touch or "down" the ball, or it is a penalty, and must be rekicked. This is what happened to Graham's 70 yard punt two weeks ago, when he shanked the next one).

    The "Fair Catch"
    The punt returner on the recieving team may signal for a fair catch. This means he has the right to catch the ball without being impeded or touched by the punting team's players. By signalling for a fair catch, which is done by waving one arm in the air, the punt returner gives up the right to advance the ball after the catch. His team will begin possession at that spot.

    The "Muff"
    When a punt returner fails to catch the ball, but does touch it, whether he signals for a fair catch or not, it is a muff. Either team may recover the ball, and whichever team does will have possession at that spot. If the recieving team recovers the ball, and is able, they are allowed to advance the ball, however, if the punting team recovers the ball, they are not permitted to advance it. That is the difference between a fumble, a completely free ball which may be advanced and a muff. If the punt returner does catch the ball, and then drops it after having possession, it is a fumble.

    The "Blocked Punt"
    The recieving team will rush at the punter after the ball has been snapped to him. All teams have a "block" play in their playbook. They also have "return" plays as well. The block play means that certain players will make more of an effort to get to the punter before he has a chance to get the punt off. TV announcers will say "The rush is on" or something like that when the recieving team calls this. It isn't often successful, but when it is it can change the outcome of a game. Most often, the recieving team will "set up for the return", which means they will hold ground until the punt has been made, guarding against a "fake punt", but then retreat and attempt to block the punt coverage team, trying to help their punt returner get more yardage for better field position.

    Usually when a punt is blocked, it' isn't the punter's fault. A breakdown in the blocking that is supposed to protect the punter or a bad snap from the center is usually at blame. Things like extremely high winds can cause a punt to go wrong as well however.

    Once a punt is blocked BEHIND the line of scrimmage, only the recieving team can advance or even recover the ball for possession. Even if the punting team recovers the ball, they do not regain possession of it, the receiving team will take over at that spot. If the punt is blocked BEYOND the line of scrimmage (EXTREMELY rare) then it is a free ball and whichever team makes the recovery will have possession.

    The "Fake Punt"
    This is when the punting team gets into punt formation and instead either tries to advance the ball by running with it, or by passing the ball to an elligable reciever, often one of the "gunners" in an attempt to gain another first down.

    Summary
    So, when punting from deep in a team's own territory, distance and hang time are most important. This is where the torpedo punt is best. Maximum distance, maximum hang time. When punting closer to the opposing team's goal line, distance accuracy and hang time are more important in attempting to back the other team up as much as possible.

    Long line drive punts with little hang time are dangerous. The punt coverage team doesn't have enough time to get downfield to tackle the punt returner. This type of punt is often referred to as "outkicking the coverage", which can allow for long returns and possible touchdown plays. Graham has not had any of his punts returned for touchdowns.
     
  19. 4jetfans

    4jetfans Well-Known Member

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    Well guys dont expect to see Ben back for a while because we locked him up for FIVE --- Count them 5 more years on an extended contract. The only time you might see him if the NFL desides to play a game over in your Aussie Country. You know you just might see me at that game. LOL
     
  20. frank_in_oz

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    Wooped your arse in London!!!:rofl:
     

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