The Uh Oh Thread

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  1. asbcheeks

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    The Yanks should've bought Greg AND Simon Gagne IMO.
     
  2. AllHackettsSuck

    AllHackettsSuck Well-Known Member

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    Must be Joba's contract he is referring to!
     
  3. AllHackettsSuck

    AllHackettsSuck Well-Known Member

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    Was always partial to Verne Gagne myself!
     
  4. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    It's become apparent that the Red Sox, knowing that a playoff appearance is all but wrapped up, don't care about the division anymore. Resting Okajima, Crisp, Youkilis, Matsuzaka, Lugo, and Pedroia, not rushing Manny back, allowing Gagne to try to work himself into form, going to a 6 man/weird rotation to set up the playoff rotation... they're trying to look at the big picture.

    While I can't exactly disagree with that, I would like to see them put a LITTLE more effort in. For example, Bobby Kielty, Brandon Moss, Alex Cora, and Eric Hinske are getting WAY too much playing time lately, and guys like Brian Corey have no business on the mound at this point.

    While I'd like to see them win the division, I'd rather see a deep playoff run. But I also wish they didn't go into "rest mode" so blatantly.
     
  5. GreenMachine

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    Spin away.

    You are telling me Boston does not care that they have lost the AL East to the Yankees for the past 9 years?

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  6. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    Probably not, since they have won the real title more recently.

    EDIT: I guarantee you that the front office doesn't care. They have decided that going deep in the playoffs is more important, and so are resting guys and preparing for that.

    The fans on the other hand probably DO care, but if they win it all, I doubt anyone will be harping on it.
     
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  7. MSUJet85

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    While I don't disagree with you, the Clemens reply is too easy (and I already know that Clemens hasn't been that good
     
  8. Mr Electric

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    Wilson Betemit is good player, he just hasn't developed yet. They didn't need to buy anyone new...they should've been dominant, but they don't play team ball. They already purchased A-Rod, Damon, Giambi, Petitte (again), Clemens (again), and Abreu. Their entire field could make the All-Star roster just by name recognition.

    How did overpaying that 40+ year old pitcher turn out? It didn't matter because the starting lineup can produce 5-10 runs a night...easy. Money doesn't buy happiness, but it sure can buy some pretty good ball players...that don't make it to the World Series.
     
  9. AlioTheFool

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    That's a pretty interesting take.

    Well, except that we traded for Betemit, we didn't "buy" him. That's what contending teams do at the deadline, make moves to help run for the title.

    As for that 40+ pitcher, he's 6-6 with a 4.18 ERA in 17 starts. In 99IP, he's given up 99 hits, for an average of one hit per inning. He's surrendered 46ER, and has 31BB to 68Ks.

    Had he received run support in his early games, he'd easily have another 4-5 wins. 10-12 wins for half a season of work? Yeah, I'll take that.
     
  10. Yisman

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    will you take it for the amount he's being paid? :lol:
     
  11. AlioTheFool

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    Sure, why not?

    If he had gotten the run support, we're talking about 10-13 wins. In half a season. That's a 20-game season if it's from the start. How much can you possibly ask for?

    Shit, we're paying Giambi to shit the bed every at-bat. Matsui's not lived up to his contract. Sheffield was a disappointment last year.

    Let's be honest. You guys got lucky with Pedro. His career could have been over right now, but he made a comeback. It's all a gamble. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

    The fact is, when we got Roger to come back, we 1) prevented Boston from acquiring him, and 2) got someone who helped the rotation recover from guys like Igawa and Pavano. The youth wasn't ready yet.

    If you've got the money, you spend it. That's my biggest problem with the small market teams and revenue sharing. They pocket so much of it, and their teams suck for it. The big market teams are all starting to follow the Yankees' model, and it's the right way to run a team.
     
  12. asbcheeks

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    What about having homefield for the playoffs? Does the organization not see any value to that?
     
  13. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    What is this? Dillude yourself day? Where does that little fag Papplebon sucking figure into this?
     
  14. Yisman

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    clemens isn't worth the money.

    He's thrown less than 100 innings. Think of how much he's being paid.

    I just went through his starts. Best you could give him is 10 wins and 7 losses, going start by start. Hardly 13 wins.
     
  15. FirstTimeCaller

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    Not after what they did in 2004 I guess.... :shit:
     
  16. GreenMachine

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    You specifically referred to THIS YEAR.
    BTW, How can you purchase Petitte again, if you drafted him in the first place?


    And for the record, Let's break this down:


    Yankees:

    C: Posada-Drafted by the Yankees..Played entire career in NY
    1B: Giambi- signed with Yankees as a FA
    2B: Cano-Undrafted..signed in 2001..spent 4 years in the minors
    SS: Jeter-Drafted by NY...played entire career in NY
    3B: A-Rod- Bought thru trade by Yankees
    LF: Matsui- Undrafted..purchased thru Japan
    CF: Cabrerra-Undrafted..signed in 2001.spent 4 Years in minors
    RF: Abreu-aquired via trade
    DH: Damon - Bought

    SP: Petitte: drafted By NY, left as FA, returned as FA..Still a product of the Yankees farm system
    SP: Wang- undrafted...progressed thru YAnkees farm system.
    SP: Phil hughes- Yankees draft pick
    SP: Ian Kennedy- Yankees draft pick
    SP: Clemens- bought
    SP(sort of): Mussina- FA aquisition

    RP: Rivera- Undrafted...Spent entire career a Yankee
    RP: Chamberlain- Drafted by NY
    RP: Luis Vizca?no- journeyman..traded to NY for RJ
    RP: Farnsworth- FA
    RP: Villone...journeyman


    Red Sox

    C: Varitek...drafted and developed in Seattle..traded to Boston
    1B: Kevin Youkilis..Drafted by Boston
    2B: Dustin Pedroia..drafted by boston
    SS: Lugo...drafted by Houston...over paid by Boston
    3B: Lowell...Drafted by Yankees...bought by Boston via trade
    LF: Ram?rez ...Bought
    CF: Coco Crisp...Bought
    RF: Drew..Bought
    DH: Ortiz...Bought


    SP: Schilling..BOUGHT(Yes he was drafted by Boston, but he was traded right away)
    SP: Dice K...bought from Japan
    SP: Beckett...Bought
    SP: Lester...draft pick
    SP: Wakefield: journeyman

    RP: Okajima...Bought from Japan
    RP: Gagne...Bought via trade
    RP: Timlin: Bought
    RP: Papelbon...Drafted
    RP: Tav?rez...bought
    RP: Delcarmen...drafted
    RP: Snyder...bought
     
  17. AlioTheFool

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    I'm too lazy to look it up, but are you also counting unearned runs? He's given up quite a few (6). How much of an outcome did those have on games? I know I remember the one day where he got lit up in the second inning, it was due to an extended inning off an error by Cano.

    Anyway, like I said, 10-13 wins. And over the course of an entire season, that's at least an 18 game winner.

    Is he overpaid? Yes. Is he worth it? Yes.

    Considering that when he was signed, the Yankees still had Igawa in the rotation, Pavano gone for the year, and were looking to guys like Chase Wright to save the ship, I'd have to say signing Clemens wasn't just worth it, it was critical.

    And that's ignoring the fact that had we not signed him, he'd be pitching in Fenway this year.
     
  18. BIG COUNTRY

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    Im goin to Boston this weekend and I will produly wear my Yankee hat. I hope to find a bar where I can watch the Yankees game but no big deal, I'll watch it in the most wicked Red sox bar around for all I care.
     
  19. AlioTheFool

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    Do me a favor, tell them to take the MacDahnald's Angus Buhrgah, and shove it up their asses!

    Man, I hate that commercial. WAD.
     
  20. Mantana Soss

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    Being that bold is easy when you're the size of a power forward.
     

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