Yeah, everyone. Calvin Pace, Demario Davis, David Harris Wilbur Marshall, Otis Wilson, Mike Singletary
Yes everyone. We had a good defense, we signed an entirely new defensive backfield (including the best corner in the league), and drafted the consensus best defensive player in the draft. Everyone was saying if we didn't have the best defense in the league this year, it would be a failure. First of all, if you're implying David Harris is bad, you're wrong - he's a Top 5 inside/middle linebacker. Second, the 85 Bears had all-time great linebackers; before this season started, we supposedly had all-time great defensive backs. And supposedly, we have the best defensive line in the league. And isn't our head coach supposed to be some wonder-genius of defensive football? So we are we average on defense?
Nobody would mistake the Jets defense for the 85 Bears; having said that, they were one of the best defenses in the league. And don't forget the Jets actually went 9-7 in 2009 and made the playoffs, and then made a playoff run. This year they went 10-6 and missed on tiebreakers. Happens. The way it was set up, if they had made the playoffs everything was ripe for a deep run. So no, I don't actually think Bowles did a bad job (or a worse job than Rex in 2009). But even if he did, Bowles demeanor and team building seems to me that he will _improve_, not head downwards towards 4-12 like Rex did.
No kidding. Neither does Bowles. Or every other head coach in the league but six people - and those six guys had these QBs ... Brady, Brees, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Wilson and Rodgers. Four HOFers, one guy who's been to two Super Bowls in his first two seasons and Flacco.
Truthfully, if REX could grow up and get control of his emotions, he would be a force to be reckoned with.... Even with his average QB's... Without Brady, bellicheat is not a ledged, he'd be a smart underachieving coach who got laughed out of Cleveland, released be NE and walked the plank in the ghost land of desperate teams untill his career fizzled out. I think REX has pulled of more with much less than belicheat, he just needs to grow the fuck up
Can the jets trade a steaming pile of crap to get Rex back and then trade Ryan, Gailey and Bowels for a 12oz can of Natty Ice?
Bowles still has a lot to prove but Rex took over a team that had a great oline and was coming off a 9 win season. Bowles took over a 4 wun team and won 10 games as a rookie HC. Rex had double digit win seasons once in his career. Bowles did it in his first year. "Very hard to argue" might have been to strong, but i'll take Bowles.
Yes, but the Jets also added Revis, Marshall, Fitzpatrick, Carpenter, Cromartie, Gilchrist and Williams - that's 7 starters that are all unquestionably better than the person they replaced last year. Except for kicker, the Jets do not have a single position on the field where they are worse this year than they were last year (mostly because our GM this year, unlike last year, isn't intentionally sabotaging the team).
Thats because Lit N Stylish really looks like Rick Louganis and his spouse ,if he has one, is Rosie Odonnel clone lol
Lots of good points made by all so far . Comparisons are never easy My feeling is only based on results: Rex: Biggest accomplishment , got Jets to AFC Championship Todd Bowles: Turned a 4-12 team to 10-6. Notable wins NY Giants, NE Patriots, Indy Colts (predicted to be Playoff contendrs) Rex is an attention whore....egomaniac. Motivates players with lot of emotion for week 17 the rest prior he sucks Inconsistent with himself, players and wins and losses Bowles plays it respectful and low key. Expects players to stay even keel. Shows consistent style that produced more wins than losses. IMO needs to show more anger at bad players, high or low salary. NEEDS CLOCK MANAGEMT COURSE asap. Needs to recruit better linebackers, off line etc I give my nod to Bowles because he can learn to get better. He would have done as well as Rex with those prior teams imo. Team, defense let him down this last game plus no Powell We know all about toe sucker
Yea the Jets got better. But when Rex took over a strong team in 2009 the Jets added Scott, Leonard, Sheppard, and Edwards as well. And then he needed the Colts and Bengals to not play hard to get in. I'll give him a break cause he had a rookie QB playing but still.
You know, despite all my posts supporting Rex over the years, I actually don't like the guy all that much as a person. Sure, he seems like a fun guy to hang out with, the kind of guy anyone would enjoy having a beer with. And he's a really funny dude! Easily the most entertaining coach in the league, that's for sure. But he's not really the nicest guy there is. And I never liked his extremely foul language ever since that HBO special on Jets Training Camp. But as far as his knowledge and skills as a head coach, I have a tremendous amount of respect for him, and I want him on my side! He got a raw deal in NY, from a GM who wanted to get rid of him and bring in his own guy, to media and fans that constantly abused him because they didn't like his personality (let's face it, he's not a "new yorker", that's the real reason fans and media were so tough on him here. But the guy is pretty much the quintessential NFL head coach, and that's proven by the fact that the players on both his teams loved him, and would run through a brick wall for him. And it's not just because he's a "players coach"; his players want to win above all else, let's be real here, and they want a coach that puts them in position to do so; even the selfish players want a coach that will help them compile big stats. So the players know what kind of coach Rex is. And unbiased NFL insiders outside of NY always recognized that he was a very good coach. Sadly, Rex is not on our side any more, and worse he's with a division rival...I fear the Bills will continue to be a thorn in our side for years to come! The "curse of Rex", if you want to call it that, has only just begun...(hope I'm wrong of course)
If Rex Ryan had been our coach this year, we would have had the #1 ranked D in the league (instead of #4), the #29 ranked O (instead of #10) and gone 6-10. Unless it somehow kept Geno from getting punched....then we would have the #1 pick in the draft.
Bowles obviously coached a better season than Rex did this year, I dont know how arguable that even is. Better record, similar talent, similar schedules. Some would argue Buffalo had more talent. They certainly did coming into the season. As good as Bowles was outcoaching Bill last week, he was outcoached by Rex this week. I have been pleased with Bowles halftime adjustments all season, but yesterday it was non existent. Bills are a one man offense. Watkins was responsible for so many yards and 3rd down conversions. Bowles (or Rogers?) did not see that Revis could not cover Watkins at all, and did nothing to give him help. Overall, I am extremely optimistic about the coach and front office, but yesterday was pretty rough.
You guys will find out about Rex soon enough. He's a great mind on the defensive side but he needs great players to make his schemes produce results that are equal to his schemes. He hasn't been as good as a DC since Revis got hurt at the beginning of '12. The schemes are still really interesting to watch but the top 5 defenses are a thing of the past. Rex doesn't develop players very well as a rule. The exceptions are defensive linemen, he really knows the d-line. One of the reason the Bills went 8-8 this year is that their most talented players in the defense were already on the d-line. Rex couldn't improve the defense because the thing he adds was already there. Instead the defense took a step back because Rex's schemes took the defensive line out of their optimal roles and made them do other things. Mario Williams drop in production is a prime example. Who in their right mind asks one of the dominant pass rushers in the NFL to drop back in coverage as much as Rex did? Scheme over talent for a net loss. The team's lack of consistency from game to game is maddening at times. Rex will get his guys all whooped up over a particular game and they'll play like world beaters and then a sad sack team will come into town and the team is playing down to their level and losing a game that is just unfathomable. Seasoned vets play Rex like a fiddle, they know exactly when they have to be on the ball and when it is ok to slack off. Young guys learn from the big dogs and the culture sets in pretty quickly. Being a player's coach creates many of the dynamics that will drive you mad over time. The worst one is that Rex never puts a veteran player in fear of his job. If you're in you're in until your legs fall off. That's why key holes develop over time. A guy goes from being above average to below average over the course of a season in his career and it takes Rex another season to catch on and replace him. So the second season is all hole and no fun to watch. If Rex was a DC and not a head coach this would all be ok, because the HC would be keeping everybody in line and would be a check on Rex's tendency to inflate and deflate expectations over the season. The GM listens to the DC but never gets dominated by him. It is what it is. Enjoy Rex for the entertainment value and for seeing players do things on the field that nobody else would ask them to do, occasionally with great results. Hope you catch a streak like the Jets were on going into yesterday and luck into a playoff spot where every game will be a huge game and Rex can keep the hype train running in the locker room until you meet the better coached team. It can be a lot of fun if everything goes just right. This year's Jets team would have been 8-8 with Rex at the helm. He wouldn't have hurt them but he also wouldn't have helped them much in my opinion.
