the problem is not schotty

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  1. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    False. The closest Chad got to his stats in Miami was in 2002 with the Jets, before Schotty was here. He clearly much better the next year in MIA than in NY.

    http://www.nfl.com/player/chadpennington/2504181/profile
     
  2. SuperBowl50

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    I guess my point is the when you have a good coach, the players and the team (or offense in this case) improve over the course of the season. Dustin might not be a good blocker, but he should have at least IMPROVED as a blocker. Hunter may be a terrible pass blocker, but he should have at least IMPROVED as a pass blocker. Shonn Greene is not a good pass catcher, but he should have at least improved. Whether it's a new technique, a refinement of technique, more strength, more agility or whatever, a good coach sees what is needed from the player and helps the player improve.

    It's pretty obvious to me that Rex is most effective coaching D-linemen. Pouha and DeVito have shown tremendous improvement week after week under Rex. Other street free-agents have become servicable. It's really easy to see it, too.

    The only player that improved this season on offense, ironically enough is Sanchez. I guess maybe Kerley and McKnight can go in that group, too. This tells me first, that Schotty isn't a good player developer. Second that Sanchez must be pretty freaking good to continue to improve when everyone else regressed.

    We need a teacher for our next OC. Someone that can improve technique for each player, that can show all the subtle things that need to be worked on to become a better player. We all know Sanchez works his butt off and that's probably why he improved where everyone else didn't. An OC that can point out even a few things will probably get him to be a much better player.
     
  3. Braylon4ever

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    I fixed your post 'cause that's all I saw.

    Schotty has had 6 years for everyone to be given an adequate and accurate picture on just how TERRIBLE an OC he is.....yet you actually attempt to provide excuses for this clown. wow.
     
  4. papapump

    papapump Well-Known Member

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    Schotty sucks, end of story. Our new OC, whomever he is, will need to make Sanchez an NFL QB. Hopefully this can be done, I am not getting any younger.

    On another front, Rex needs to take control of this team NOW.
     
  5. joeklecko

    joeklecko New Member

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    Excellent, Excellent post.
     
  6. TNJet

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    Yes it is. Schotty is the problem.
     
  7. joeklecko

    joeklecko New Member

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    I don't think anyone is saying the BS is solely responsible for the offense's problems, but he is in charge of the offense so the bottom line is that he's ultimately responsible for the offense in reporting to Rex.

    It's not Schotty's fault that Keller may be smaller and less physical than other TEs, but it IS Schotty's fault if he tries to use him primarily in that capacity rather than assessing Keller's strengths then devising a system that would take advantage of those strengths. We're read and heard a lot about what a mismatch Keller is for opposing Ds, but how often has he been a primary target where the Jets could capitalize on that? Keller isn't without blame here because he fails to get open and drops too many passes for my liking, but I think it's hard to dispute that Keller hasn't exactly been used as a focal point of the passing attack. He was utilized more this year than in the past, but he still should have had a lot more than 700 yards this season.

    With regard to the OL issues, there's no doubt that much of the blame goes on Tanny's shoulders as he truly screwed the pooch in failing to sign veteran FA OL that were available when the Jets had the cap space with which to sign them. That said, do you remember the Dallas game? How Ware was just killing Hunter and Sanchez? Not only didn't Schotty think about that matchup prior to the game, but made no adjustments whatsoever during the game. The announcers were killing Schotty for that and rightly so. Where was Ducasse as a blocking TE then or Keller or Cumberland? Even if none of them are that good at pass blocking, they could have at least slowed down Ware a little. Where was Conner? Why didn't Schotty use more packages with Conner to help slow down Ware? Why didn't Schotty have plays designed with Sanchez rolling out and away from Ware? Where were the trap plays, draws and screens to slow down the rush?

    I don't understand your just dismissing the play-calling issues. IMO you are one of the more knowledgeable, rational posters, yet with regard to Schotty, it's like you have just stuck your head in the sand and want to ignore what's glaringly apparent to everyone else. There are many, many issues with his play calling, with his game planning/scheming (or lack thereof), his failure to produce a topflight offense when one considers that the Jets have spent more draft picks on offense than defense during Rex's tenure, yet you choose to dismiss them.

    I don't understand how you can fail to see that Schotty's system isn't designed to take advantage or the strengths of the Jets players and his game plans aren't designed to take advantage of opponents' weaknesses. I don't understand how you can accept the Jets throwing the ball 40-60 times against teams with lousy run defenses or how they can try to Ground and Pound against teams with superb run defenses and weak pass defenses. I don't see how you can give him a pass for the often lousy execution and for all the stupid drive-killing penalties his charges make. I don't understand how you can overlook how often it took the Jets offense the entire first half to start playing. If their offenses struggle out of the gate, many OCs will do something to give them a spark, to get the QB in a rhythm and enable him to build some confidence, but I almost never see that with Schotty. I don't understand why you would accept the predictable play calling and not attempting to stretch the field or keep opponents off balance.

    The players get some blame as do the position coaches, but again Schotty is in charge of the offense. He designs the plays, makes the play calls, designs the game plans and has the opportunity to make adjustments. With other teams we see the OCs and QBs on the sidelines looking at pictures of plays and formations and making changes/adjustments while the D is on the field. How often do we see that with the Jets?

    Rex ultimately shares the blame because the bottom line is that he is responsible for the play of the entire team, and he not only has allowed this situation to continue but at least publicly, supports Schotty, but that doesn't absolve Schotty from the lion's share of the blame. We all know that Rex knows squat about offense and has trusted Schotty to do what is needed with the offense.
     
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  8. Braylon4ever

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    Schotty was not the MAIN problem but he certainly was at least 85% of it.
     
  9. ouchy

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    How about getting to the AFC championship 2 years in a row?

    Oh wait - thats only Mark Sanchez's doing.

    Sorry I forgot.
     
  10. SuperBowl50

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    Thanks. Been meaning to post that for a while.
     
  11. Braylon4ever

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    ouchy, Jets got there IN SPITE of Schitty's coaching, not because of it.


    Oh wait - Schotty is actually a damn good coach 'cause you think so.

    Sorry I forgot.
     
  12. laxin

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    Great post. This is something people tend to forget and its more than enough reason for him to be gone without even looking at the play calling aspect of being an OC.

    He’s like the opposite of Rex. Rex takes a defense with not much talent aside from two or three players, and turns depth players into quality starter. He covers up their weaknesses with scheme. This is what allowed the defense to be so amazing in his first 2 years here. Now people are learning the ins and outs of his scheme and the lack of talent is showing... But you get the point.

    Rex is a great coach because he can make players play above their talent level. Schotty is not a good coach because he does the exact opposite. He makes them play below their talent level.
     
  13. joeklecko

    joeklecko New Member

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    Excellent point.
     
  14. rohirrim665

    rohirrim665 Well-Known Member

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    Favre was lighting up the scoreboard every game until he got injured half way through the season but still insisted on playing.
     
  15. joeklecko

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    Yes, but they basically scrapped Schotty's system because Favre refused to play in it or learn it. Schotty accomodated Favre.
     
  16. thirtyoddfreestyle

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    or possibly tums

    WELL - if sanchez bombs out next year im burning my jersey @ the stadium - you can see the security taser me
     
  17. ace_o_spades

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    That'll show 'em!
     
  18. SuperBowl50

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    Rex is a really good defensive coach. He improves the player, schemes the player well and play-calls well. In my mind, those are the three pilllars of good coaching. Teaching (improving the talent), scheming (putting talent in a position to succeed) and play-calling (game management, guessing what the offense is doing, etc).

    You can clearly see that he's taught well as we got a lot more out of Pouha, DeVito, Maybin, Coleman, E. Smith, etc. than other coaching staffs. You can also see that he schemes pretty well using unconventional formations and such. There are blown coverages once in a while, but it's still top-notch compared to other coaching staffs. His play-calling, especially on third and long can be a bit too aggressive, but he's definitely top-10 in the league in that department.

    Schotty, on the other hand, can't seem to teach very well as witnessed by almost every player regressing. He's also not that great at scheming (note all the penalties and miscommunications). Play-calling is honestly the thing I worry least about him out of these three because it depends so much on the first two.

    If you compare Schotty to someone like Sean Payton, you can see how clearly superior Payton is. Payton has clearly improved a whole host of offensive players like Brees and Sproles. He also schemes them well and manages to use 5+ weapons at WR, 4 weapons at RB and at TE. Their offense was formidable last year and still, you can see how much they've improved this year. Lastly, his play-calls succeed. I suspect a lot of that reflects the first two things.

    The evidence is clear. Schotty just isn't a good offensive coach.
     
  19. Biggs

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    Rex took a D loaded with talent and with a cretive scheme had the No. 1 D in football in 09. The D has gotten progressively worse in year 2 and year 3 under Rex. Tape has allowed teams to adjust and Rex unloaded both Safties with range first Rhodes and than Lowery which considerably reduced our talent on the defensive side of the ball.

    Shotty has been the constant on the O side for years and certainly has to take responsability for the mis matched personal and backslidding of the O this year but Rex certainly hasn't done much since he has been the boss and has had a huge impact on personal. You could argue that Rex did better with the D that Mangini left him than he has with the D he has been responsible for building.
     
  20. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    The impact of losing Lowery has not been talked about enough.
     

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