So lets go with this scenario. Either we stick with Sanchez as our starting QB or we do what it takes to acquire Peyton. The questions are then: What if Manning doesn't pan out, and what if Sanchez doesn't improve to become at least an average NFL QB? Can you honestly say right now that the chances of Sanchez suddenly becoming an effective NFL QB, a feat which he could not accomplish with one of the top defenses and running games in the league (first 2 seasons) and a Super Bowl MVP receiver and Pro Bowl receiver, are greater than Manning coming here and being ineffective? If your answer to that question is yes, Sanchez will greatly improve and Manning is finished, then by all means Sanchez should be the guy in this scenario. Unfortunately, I see no reason to be so optimistic about Sanchez's chances to improve all that much and sticking with him would also set back the franchise a good 4-5 years. I would LOVE to be wrong, since I don't think there is much chance that Manning comes here.
To answer the OP, first year took an injured, fragile and rehabbing Chad to Comeback Player of the Year and the Jets to the playoffs. Took a rookie and second year Qb with obvious issues to successive AFC Champ Games. Would have gone to the playoffs with Favre if Favre had not gotten hurt and insisted (this is on Mangini) in playing hurt to keep his streak alive. Would have gone to the playoffs his second year if Fragile Chad had not gotten hurt again, been backed up by an equally fragile Fiedler, and a totally unprepared Bollinger. This year would have gone to the playoffs again if Sanchez had not crapped the bed with three straight losses to end the season. Not bad if you ask me.
He had a top 11 and top 16 offense in his six years. Other than that, all of his offenses were ranked 20th or below. You don't think that warrants endless praise and head coaching consideration?
I wish this were reddit so we could downvote the shit out of the OP for suggesting Schotty isn't the problem
What, is this supposed to be like the Taliban or something when you have to believe in Mohammed or be killed?
I blame Rex the same amount. Dont like it (how could he)? Step in and say something. Its painfully obvious his only input was the Green Yellow Red system. That actually worked.
Don't know if this was posted and buried somewhere. I figured this would be a good spot for it. http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/01/08/insider-jets-schottenheimer-lacks-adjustment-acume The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity. • "Offensive coaches need to be cerebral. When it comes to making adjustments, (Jets offensive coordinator) Brian Schottenheimer is one of the worst in the game. You look at the way they protected against the Giants. You're playing one of the best defensive lines in football and you're not going to give your tackles any help? Someone has to explain that to me. I know (OLT D'Brickashaw) Ferguson is good, but have some common sense."
Manning would be paralyzed with the way this OLine played this year, after one game. Ed Reed got a sack-fumble-6 points after .8 seconds on the opening offensive drive of the Balt Game. There's a reason Sanchez looked skittish out there this year. He took some seriously brutal hits and got rattles. The OLine gave up 11+ sacks from the last 2 years. That's lot more pressure getting through from the last 2~3 years. Although Sanchez is NOT Peyton Manning, he's not Trent Dilfer either. A QB doesn't improve his statistics when the OLine & offense as a whole is regressing. Mark improved his stats with better play, even though the Offense around him was collapsing. Manning does nothing for this team except set it back financially, unless the other issues are resolved. And if the other issues are resolved, then Mark will improve again.
Well you aren't looking at the whole picture of a team. Right now Manning would help the team if he plays like he did pre-injury. However, all our cap space goes toward Manning meaning we have to fix needs through the draft. If we keep Sanchez, we can spend money to acquire Free Agents and then have the draft to help the team out. This team was able to take a rookie/sophomore QB to the AFC championship game twice, and that QB was never a reason we lost. In a couple years if Sanchez is just average (his contract has him for 2 more years I believe), we still have solid team and can plug either a veteran QB into or a new one and succeed. If Manning gets hurt or is done after a couple years, we probably have a weaker overall team since most of acquisitions have to come through draft since this free agency is lost. Yes Manning would improve the team now (if healthy and pre injury) but it could set the franchise back a few years if we don't win the super bowl with him. Manning is a win now solution which many people on here have criticized Tanny for doing in the past with this team.
He had a good 2004 and 2005. Not much better statistically than he did with the Jets. Was doing fine until he got hurt with the Jets. Not proven.
I'll put it this way: I won't miss Schotty if he goes. However, I'm not ignorant enough to believe that bringing in another OC will automatically launch Sanchez into elite status and bring our offense in general into the upper echelon of the league. If this thread was titled Schotty isn't the only problem I would agree with it...but that should be a pretty obvious statement. Just like Sanchez alone isn't the problem (although I'd take an elite QB like, say, Brees and Schotty as the OC over Sanchez at QB and any OC in the history of the game).
Forget playcalling, the reason I don't think Schotty is a good coach is more the preparation. Coaches get paid, mainly to coach players. A good coach gets the most out of his players. How many dropped balls did we see this year? How many false starts? Holding calls? Missed blocks? We crap on players like Mulligan, Hunter and Holmes, but how come they don't improve week to week? It's been mind-boggling how nearly every player on offense seems to have regressed this year in some way. Good coaches get their players to improve. Schotty has not done that. The biggest example of this, of course, is Mark Sanchez. Watching him week in and week out, I can tell exactly what he's being told by Schotty during the week. After the Ravens game, Sanchez never held the ball for more than a couple of seconds. Sanchez is told to not turn the ball over, so he keeps putting balls where only our guy could get at it, causing a lot more incompletions. He's been told to look at 2 options and throw the ball away. It's obvious to me that Sanchez takes these lessons to heart and executes them. But these things are not making him a better QB. Receivers? Why can't they get separation? How come they drop so many balls? Why are there so many miscommunications with the QB? RB's? How come no one seems to have improved their speed or pass-catching ability? OL? Why did we get eaten alive by pass rushers? Why did their run-blocking regress from last year? TE's? Why are there so many penalties? How come Dustin can't block yet? He needs to go because he can't do the fundamental thing that a coach is supposed to do. Teach his players. Make them better. We can argue play-calling and all that, but it's really inconsequential to this, IMO.
Weren't we going through all this same shit a few years ago when the only difference was the QB's name. We will always be having this discussion until the Jets finally get a franchise QB. They had it for part of a year until Favre got hurt..he just basically ignored Schitty because he had the ability to do that. Unfortunately we won't get a really good QB until Tannenbaum isn't the guy doing the picking.
imo these are much more relevant and fair questions than the constant complaints about the play calling, and I do agree with the general notion that Schotty has at least some responsibility here. But it is a shared one, and the extent to which Schotty is more responsible than some others is unknown and debatable. Responsibility is shared with the players, the FO and other coaches. For example, let's take the question about Keller. To me he does not look physical enough compared to some other TE's more effective in blocking. He's more of a hybrid TE/WR, and is that Schotty's fault, or just who Keller is? The OL issues seem to have been more about questionable roster moves, Mangold's injury and to some extent an off year for Ferguson than solely to do with Schotty. And yet... the overall number of problems you identified certainly does not inspire confidence in Schotty. Let's put it this way - there's no reason to think he does not share part of the responsibility, and it fair to ask how much he should be held accountable for the problems you mentioned.
Even mentioning Manning coming here is a waste of bandwidth because there's no way the Jets could fit his salary under the cap even if he were interested in coming to the Jets. The Jets have to keep a 53 man roster. Even by cutting Mark Sanchez, they still wouldn't be close to having enough cap space to pay Peyton. They'd also have to cut Brandon Moore, Mike Devito, Eric Smith, Wayne Hunter, Dustin Keller, Ropati Pitoitua, and they'd still probably not have enough. Some of you guys are just totally unrealistic.
