We can agree to disagree.In fact i couldnt disagree more.Weve been meat & potatos w no innovation since Joe Walton. Its conservative crap.
That's my main concern with hiring a college coach. They just don't have access and history with the same network of coaching options. I doubt the staff gets assigned for him though. He will prob just have to interview and hire, which may lead to some trial and error.
Remind me how well guys like Chip Kelly do? It's not about finding the next fad. It's about preparing, adjusting and executing properly.
Of course. Same way that Toilet hired Chan Gailey and Kacy Rogers. He knew Kacy well and hired him (and he was horrible). Todd only knew Chan from league circles, never worked with him, and was put into an interview room with him. This is the same deal. Arranged marriages. Also, I agree with what you said earlier. Long gone by are the days of the Lonesome Polecat, the Run and Shoot, the Wildcat, etc etc, and RPO is next. Defense always figures it out eventually.
Ok so one guy who had zero personality or ability to talk to professional athletes is the final nailin the coffin? Remind me how well Herm,Mangini,Rex & Bowles did? Everyone of them leaned on ball control & defense.The loose translation is run the ball,avoid turnovers & try to play perfect ball for 4 Qtrs. It hasnt worked here & it will likely work less & less moving forward. Its about prioritizing SCORING & capitalizing on opportunities..not prioritizing running the ball & resting the defense
If you think Rhule needs to come with a good staff, you must really think KK and Monken will rely heavy on their staffs. They are less experienced and have zero background on defense or specials. They will need a ton of help to succeed as a HC imo.
Last I checked, Rex did quite well and never had a QB worth a shite. We have a QB now. Mangini learned from Belichick, who cut his teeth on ball control, defense and specials. Offensive fads are a dime a dozen, and never sustain in the long term. You need to play well on all sides of the ball to succeed, and play complimentary football. That doesn't necessarily mean conservative though. My problem with Bowles was not that he was a former DC, but he was WAY too conservative and that doesn't win games. He also didn't adjust well enough, or motivate his players, which were major problems. So me may actually agree on several points at least, but are saying it differently.
I'm interested in both, but I do think staffing will be critical for success. We may have a little trial and error before they get the staffs right.
Ya know... there is quite a bit of a middle ground between ground and pound ball control and Chip Kelly. He is an outlier in philosophy and not the norm
Gase would be a great choice. He knows how to beat the Jets and that is pretty much it. So he can continue to do that but every Sunday from now on.
So im not saying ball control & defense arent important.What im saying is it shouldnt be the fixated formula for winning every game. Thats what weve seen w all these guys. Theres a tendency to crawl into their shells offensively the second the passing game has a TO filled week, theres a tendency to over emphasize the running game & the style is not condusive to coming back from a defecit larger than a score. Id like to see the team move away from that model.Doesnt mean it has to be an offensive wiz kid..it just means somebody w alittle more of a scorer’s mentality w an emphasis on situational football
The poster commented that when he heard Rhule believes in ball control and defense, he got nauseous. Ball control and defense is just fundamental football. If a HC didn't believe in that, I'd be extremely concerned. Kelly was the only coach I could think of who just did not seem to emphasize it, but I'm sure other offensive fad coaches could be cited instead.
All coaches have flaws. I understand your concerns with retreads, but the young up and comers have flaws too, they just haven't been discovered yet. The things that retreads offer are: 1) experience - with the older ones, they've been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. They don't have to learn how to be a HC on the job, which is huge. A lot of time is wasted and mistakes made by first-time HCs as they try to figure things out, and they fail at just as high a rate (if not higher) than retreads. 2) contacts in the NFL, and the ability to put together a quality CS much, much easier than a new up and comer from the collegiate ranks who has no NFL experience. Being a long-time Jets fan you know that we've only had 3 experienced HCs in our entire history, and with two of those, we had our most successful years, won our only SB, and came closest to getting to another. Most of our HCs have been novices who had to learn on the job, and every single one of them wound up sucking and being a failure. One of the definitions of insanity is to keep doing things the same and expect a different outcome. How many more first-time HCs must we hire and have fail, before we wise up and hire another experienced HC?
I totally agree on situational football, adjustments, and playing aggressive rather than conservative. That's primarily where Bowles failed. But I also believe defense and controlling the clock (not necessarily all with running) is still what ultimately wins games. Teams that aren't good at that, tend to get figured out, and usually don't fare well in the postseason.
I hear where you are coming from... and yes i think anyone would agree ball control and defense are key to winning, but i dont know if i want my team to have that as its mission statement so to speak. “Ball Control” is what i hear typically from undermanned teams needing it to even the playing field. The Titans immediately come to mind, and the Ravens with Jackson. If you look at the teams who have been successful as of late i dont associate any of them with ball control. They basically score a bunch of points and/or just want the ball in their hands last with their FQB in position to win it. What gets overlooked alot is that a great offense often makes a good to very good defense. Get a lead, turn oponent 1 dimensional. Mannings Colts mastered that. Pats in more recent years as well.
Thanks for posting this. Where did you read that? Please post a link so I and others can read it. If that is truly his philosophy, then I agree with you, and have no desires to hire him. It would be just like Chris Johnson to hire Rhule if that is the case. We need to move away from that type of philosophy immediately.
