hey mangold you are allowed to believe and say whatever you want on ur birthday! hope u had a good one!
Define better. I used to post stoned all the time and found I was just as coherent only I'd always forget to say things about the topic that Id remember sober. Drunk posting is just energetic venting, as you see here in the OP. Ive posted hammered before, never started a thread. Always regret it lol, stick to the drunk thread when drunk. Not a big deal though, it was buddy's birthday and we do need another passrusher.
I'm shocked this hasn't been knocked down to the bullshit forum yet! ...but I'm not gonna be the one to do it :lol:
I don't get the hate for Maybin. Plays 13 games and leads the team in sacks, never gives up and has shown improvement. I wish the rest of the defense had the spirit of Maybin.
Now for the ever-amusing: 74Mangold gets hungover and reads own drunk babbling drivel. $1,000,000 question...is it usually just babbling drivel when bent, or sober too? Big Blocker to weigh in. With Eliot Spitzer. 8PM tonight. Current TV.
Oh by the way, if ever you get the opportunity to have a glass of this with a nice cigar at a perfect bar in the city, please do. That's right. eat it hatas. :breakdance:
I seriously have no idea what you're trying to say here. I'm not sure what "stats" you think I'm "diluting" but I'm just telling you, if you draft a guy who has the same impact as any of those 13 players you're not gonna see a noticeable upgrade in their pass rush. As for Maybin, if you really believe he was "wreaking havoc" last year that's your prerogative, but I think you're higher on him than even the Jets' coaching staff is. But as a Patriots fan, I seriously hope he's on the field as much as possible.
So you just want to increase the chances that Brady gets injured for your team? Makes me wonder where your true allegiances lay. By dilluting the stats I mean that like most Pats trolls on here and other people trying to get across their crazy agendas, you're probably taking which ever sample of data skews the numbers most in favor of your argument. Might not really represent the truth in any meaningful way, but hey you sure made your point as long as nobody researches. Anyway, if I get a chance I'll take a look at maybe the 2 years prior, see how those classes panned out statistically. Gather some research, see how strong the individual draft classes have been for 3-4 OLB. See if at the end your grim 40% number is still looking so accurate. I mean shit....with numbers like that it's a wonder teams draft 3-4 OLB at all! amirite? guyz?
OK, the fact that it's hard to find a pass rusher in the draft isn't an anti-Jets stance. Every team in the league (including the Patriots) wants pass rushers, and it sucks for all of us that they are so hard to find. This isn't a "crazy agenda" this is common and accepted knowledge. Just an FYI, no player comes out of college as a 3-4 OLB. That position basically doesn't exist in the college game. What you need to look at is the guys who play on the line of scrimmage, on the edge, and are mainly asked to rush the passer. The research should be pretty easy, because I already listed all of them. Looking at only the last two years would be pretty convenient, that's a nice small sample size and this past draft was exceptionally productive (4 out of 5 guys worked out, 4 out of 16 the 4 years previous to that)
If your numbers are accurate, more power to you. The problem is it's all so arbitrary as you correctly point out. What constitutes a conversion project? Just because a guy gets taken to be 3-4 OLB doesn't mean he's really made for it and that will skew the numbers down for sure. Also you mention the high demand factor. In sparser classes guys will get overdrafted all day and will be that much more likely to bust. My point is that at best, you're way oversimplifying the situation which will skew the numbers way up for this year. At worst, the top passrusher or 3 in this class are very likely to pan out.
That's fair, but let's be honest, you started the oversimplification by saying they have a 65% chance of getting a good player. How about this, when the Jets are on the clock at #16, I think it's safe to say there IS gonna be at least one guy who is a quality pass rusher that can make an impact in 2012. HOWEVER, whether or not the Jets actually pick that guy, or even go with a pass rusher at all, is not a sure thing. It's never a good idea to rely on rookies to have a significant impact on your team
And I already allowed to you that 65% was just something that I pulled out of the sky which was what I estimated the number to be. Wasn't upon significant study or anything...just ballparking based on my thoughts. If it's really 55% and it's a little worse...ok. I can accept that. I still feel this draft class is going to give you a way better chance than average no matter what the true figure is. That's the most important factor at play imo. Obviously you'd prefer not to rely on a rookie if you can help it, but if we have a 70-80% chance to get a very useful or even elite passrushing OLB those are pretty good odds when that's the one guy that you need to push the defense over the hump.
But the point is you don't have a 70-80% chance of getting the kind of player you're talking about. You might get him, you might not. Past history isn't in your favor.
How likely do you think Nick Perry will be to pan out? Upshaw? Ingram? Instead of speaking in hypotheticals, why don't you just comment on the chances of each of these guys busting. Are you seriously going to try to claim "50/50"? Lol.
From my layman's perspective the Jets seem to have a pretty sweet spot at 16 in the first round. With needs at OLB, OL and WR there's a very good chance that a very highly rated guy at one of those positions will slide to us. On top of that there's the (very) slim chance of Richardson slipping through in which case we'd have a shot at a premiere RB. As long as they do their homework thoroughly it seems like they're in perfect position to pick BPA as well as fill a major need. I'm optimistic...
