If taking away YAC is the game being played here, has anyone researched other qbs to see how it compares? I'm curious. Seems like Tom Brady relies heavily on YAC.
Lol... 184 is not what he threw for though..That's just what he threw for minus the YAC yards. He threw for 316. If you take away any QB's YAC yards i doubt they would look very impressive either... Don't be rediculous.. 184 yards not including YAC is pretty damn good. No offense, but your post was moronic.
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2012/01/air-yards-2011.html Tebow had 3rd highest % of air yds last year( 3rd lowest amount of passing yds due to YAC as a %)
So then the question becomes, "Were the YAC due solely to receiving heroics, or did the QB hitting the reciever in stride help them get those YAC?" Two passes to Thomas are illustrative. The first play, Thomas was hit in stride, but instead of running for the open field turned back into the defender. You can see it here at the 2:43 mark... http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...5d5408/GameDay-Steelers-vs-Broncos-highlights If Thomas would have continued angling toward the right hand corner, where his momentum was carrying him, he would've scored. But he didn't appear to trust his speed. On the overtime TD pass, Thomas relied on his speed and strength and scored the TD. Both times, the ball was placed in such a way as to allow Thomas to catch the ball in stride and continue running. The first play, he turned the wrong way, the second time, he scored. YAC isn't always just the receiver. Often, it's also helped by hitting the receiver in such a way that he can continue to the open field, which is what happened on those two plays.
Actually the deep strike has been almost as characteristic of Tebow's NFL passing game as the lame duck.
He had highest AYC (air yards per completion). His air yards per attempt was brought down (rightfully so) by his low completion percentage. (An incompletion is 0 yards for that attempt). The point is that the passes he did tend to complete were the long ones, long in air yards. The passes he struggled the most with were the short ones. A puzzling statistic for sure.
Did Tebow not inhibit the YAC? Sure. But both of those runs Thomas earned his YAC. Easiest counter-example I can give is a Randy Moss basket-catch where the QB's ball placement leads to an unstoppable TD run after the catch. One the QB can be given credit for not screwing up the throw, the other one the QB can be given credit for a perfect throw.
Actually I think it is a lot of long passes with no YAC. He actually had relatively few short pass attempts(33% deep pass attempts) edit: deep being defined as >15 yds in the air per advanced nfl stats
Kind of like the "perfectly thrown" (Mariucci's words) 30yd throw to Royal at the 1:50 mark? No YAC, just a TD. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...5d5408/GameDay-Steelers-vs-Broncos-highlights
You've got it backwards. Lots of long passes, not much YAC. The quintessential Tebow pass is a long chunk and the receiver adjusts to the ball and doesn't run much. The anti-Tebow pass is a quick strike for short distance, in stride, where the runner runs after catch. And despite what some uninformed critics will post, not a lot of screens. Screens don't work much with Tebow because defenders stopped furiously rushing him -- they just mush rush and contain, making it difficult to lob a screen over their heads.
Soo, apparently it's Tebow's fault that a 40 yard TD pass only went 40 yards, because that's where the goal line was ? That's kind of really farked up
Which is another thing that hurts his completion %. Most qb's get to boost their % with quick screens multiple times per game. Tebow almost never threw a screen last year... hurting his % even further.
In one sense, it's a good thing -- he looks for big passes that will get first down. He challenges down field. Sometimes, you can't get young quarterbacks to do that -- they fall in love with the check-down, or only throw quick short passes with great proficiency. But the bad side is Tebow carries it to an extreme -- he flat does not see check downs. Looks right past them sometimes. And he's still developing the footwork to hit the shorter routes. He declines those shorter throws, because the are almost invariable tighter windows, and he reads them as "not open" when they are. Occasionally, he goes ahead and tries one and throws a terrible ball. The encouraging thing -- well, slightly encouraging -- is that when Tebow throws a bad ball, it is almost always mistimed. That is, it's not just an off-target throw, but the timing is way off. When he throws a well-timed ball, it's often an accurate ball. Which demonstrates he can throw accurately if he can get his sense of timing, footwork, and rhythm down. He's doing a makeover now (has been in a constant state of makeover), and it's a hard thing to do to overcome the bumps in the road when you're thinking about 10 things.
Actually, it was both. perhaps not the same as "traditional NFL", but they did throw some timing passes at Florida, it wasn't all just verticals.
yup. simple plays that tended to be shorter throws..he also relied on several NFL players that were simply way better than anyone else they played against. I dont recall him checking down or switching plays on the line. I remember a guy who executed the plays put in front of him and doing it well based upon 2 Main factors. 1 - he was more athletic than 95% of the guys he played against and 2 - So were his targets. Meaning he had windows the size of mack trucks many of the times he was throwing the ball. He wasn't reading defenses he was doing what the play called for him to do and he had the talent around him to make it easier. Decker and Thomas are average WR and when you have a sub par QB throwing to them they aren't going to be any better than average at best or below average at worst. But you take those average WR and add a top flight QB and you get an above average WR.
